Logan Chieftains 2014

[noreply66]

Had a very good lunch the other day At the Hocking Hills Dinner. Talked to the Owner about having DIME a DOG night b-4 all Football games at home this fall, eat in only! Also she will have Football Friday Night Specials!

Great idea

[ChieftainGrad135]

Is it possible that the MSL is looking for a package deal for two or three larger teams to come in at the same time and that is why Logan was denied at this time? If they get another larger team with interest in a year or two, maybe they contact Logan about their interest.
While I have the utmost respect for the SEOAL being as I competed in it, I think that it is time for Logan to move on. I know people are throwing "solutions" on the wall hoping Marietta returns and maybe a Parkersburg South applies, but how long until South says "this isn't working" or Gallia has enough of it and bolts to the OVC. The SEOAL is a victim of its own desire for influence. We expanded from Zanesville to Ironton in order to include teams that would add prestige, power and a name. However, the administrators did not look close enough at the negative effects on students and the costs associated with the expansion. That only leads me to believe that arrogance played a big part in expansion. I am not speaking of arrogance as in looking down on other conferences as proposed in other posts, but in the sense that the administrators had the thought of "we are the SEOAL, we will be fine". I just wish that there would be an amicable solution for all SEOAL schools involved. However, the recent votes by the TVC and MSL show that this situation is only going to get uglier for the current SEOAL members. Has there been any word on Gallia's thought towards accepting the OVC offer?

[TRENCHFOOT]

Had a very good lunch the other day At the Hocking Hills Dinner. Talked to the Owner about having DIME a DOG night b-4 all Football games at home this fall, eat in only! Also she will have Football Friday Night Specials!

Sounds good.

[loganlocos]

Is it possible that the MSL is looking for a package deal for two or three larger teams to come in at the same time and that is why Logan was denied at this time? If they get another larger team with interest in a year or two, maybe they contact Logan about their interest.
While I have the utmost respect for the SEOAL being as I competed in it, I think that it is time for Logan to move on. I know people are throwing "solutions" on the wall hoping Marietta returns and maybe a Parkersburg South applies, but how long until South says "this isn't working" or Gallia has enough of it and bolts to the OVC. The SEOAL is a victim of its own desire for influence. We expanded from Zanesville to Ironton in order to include teams that would add prestige, power and a name. However, the administrators did not look close enough at the negative effects on students and the costs associated with the expansion. That only leads me to believe that arrogance played a big part in expansion. I am not speaking of arrogance as in looking down on other conferences as proposed in other posts, but in the sense that the administrators had the thought of "we are the SEOAL, we will be fine". I just wish that there would be an amicable solution for all SEOAL schools involved. However, the recent votes by the TVC and MSL show that this situation is only going to get uglier for the current SEOAL members. Has there been any word on Gallia's thought towards accepting the OVC offer?

I'll bite on a few things here.

1st - Yes, I think there are some in the Mid-State looking at packaging a few teams to create a new divisions. I.E. a "Big School" division. I think existing members Teays, Hamilton Twp, and Whitehall are possible candidates with newcomers possible from a group consisting of Logan, Canal Winchester, Groveport, Newark, Zanesville, etc. When/if that ever happens is hard to say, but I think there is some thought being given to it.

2nd - I see your point about the SEOAL and the flaws of expansion. I agree that, in hindsight, expansion was a bad idea. But I don't think it was so much arrogance as it was naivety. I think all administrators at SEOAL schools believed that all four applicants were committed and truly WANTED to be in the SEOAL. In reality, that wasn't the case.

The schools who left did so for a number of reasons:

Athens would have left the SEOAL 20 years ago if they could have been voted into the TVC. Imagine playing more than half your games IN COUNTY. It was a no-brainer, and had nothing to do with expansion.

Zanesville was never committed to the SEOAL, IMO. Especially from a basketball perspective, it forced ZHS into a lot of games against "inferior" opponents that normally ZHS wouldn't play. They were always going to move on to another league. This is where the naivety is evident, I think schools believed ZHS was committed to the SEOAL. It was never a great fit for ZHS or the league.

Ironton left because they couldn't win the football championship. Period. Don't believe anything else.

Marietta is probably one school who left in large part due to expansion. Trips to Portsmouth, Ironton, and Chillicothe were ROUGH. However, it should also be noted that the principal at MHS is an "ECOL" guy and he had a large part of the decision to leave. Both expansion AND a principal who WANTED to move were needed to make it happen. Without either one, Marietta is still in the SEOAL.

Chillicothe left as a direct result of the collapse of the two-divisions. Making annual trips to Marietta and Warren, even just Warren toward the end, didn't make sense. Also, Chillicothe wanted the SEOAL to do more in regard to JR High scheduling and a few schools weren't willing to do so. Warren plays in the Washington County League at the JR High level and Portsmouth plays mainly Scioto/Lawrence County schools in Jr High.

Finally, Portsmouth was really an outlier once Ironton and Chillicothe left. Plus, they get to be with better geographic rivals, much like Athens.


Expansion was a failure for the SEOAL, no doubt about it. But I still think the league would be sitting at 5 teams instead of 4 if expansion hadn't happened. And if Marietta DOES come back to the SEOAL, we'll be in the same boat. Maybe we could have avoided a little drama, haha.

And finally, 3rd - I've heard Gallipolis definitely considered moving to the OVC after the TVC vote fell apart. However, there is a league meeting this week and I believe a plan is being devised to move forward with FOUR COMMITTED teams. If that's the case, then I think there is a good chance Marietta will make it 5.

[loganlocos]

While I have the utmost respect for the SEOAL being as I competed in it, I think that it is time for Logan to move on.

I'll also add, that for the first time I think there was real momentum for Logan to look at leaving the SEOAL, probably a first in school history.

However, I think we have quickly found out that there simply is not another option at this point in time.


With that, the LHS administration is committed to the SEOAL as long as it exists.

[Paladin]

Heres a little insight into Marietta -- last season Marietta went 2-8 but in the ECOL the losses were to Zanesville 60-0, Dover 60-18, New Philly 63-16 and Cambridge 52-8. The year before Marietta went 1-9 with ECOL losses to Zanesville 39-6, Dover 48-0, D-VII Rosecrans 10-0, New Philly 34-0 and Cambridge 41-7. They aren't competitive and never have been. Their other sports teams, who used to win or finish second in the SEOAL ALL Sports Trophy are now struggling . Travel , while on better roads, is still long. I hear numbers are down and the kids are broken. They aren't competitive and don't see a reason to play. How long would you as a parent allow that to continue ? Heat is on the administration. This isn't a coaching issue. You can bite off more than you can chew and that's what Marietta did with the stupid move to the ECOL. The dummy who lead that move should be horse whipped.

Logan is but one of a handful of teams in SEO to challenge their kids and play up or better programs while most of SEO ducks and runs from competition. The OCC would be great and Logan has played a lot of OCC Teams, but the league doesn't want to travel to Logan. Lancaster, Pickerington, Reynoldsburg have all played , yet you would look hard to find an OCC division happy to travel to Logan. THe MSL isn't at a competitive level with Logan unless they move to create a large school division and add teams with Logan and a few of their largest members. There just aren't many options. For now, Logan needs to sit tight. As with all things in athletics, they change over time and I expect the SEOAL to continue with new teams coming in the future. Happened before and will happen again.

[TRENCHFOOT]

:aaaaa46 Paladin, as I recall last year you was saying Logan shouldn't be playing Lancaster. :aaaaa46 Now you are saying how Logan likes to challenge their boys and schedule up and the OCC would be a good fit. Last time I looked Lancaster is an OCC team and that's a challenge and a schedule up. :aaaaa46 :aaaaa46 Now which is it, ole Logan buddy?

[Paladin]

A little slow, Trench ? Logan has no business scheduling Lancaster. However , there are lots of D-I OCC teams Logan could play. There is a division of D-II schools in the OCC that Logan could play. Of course, getting them to travel is the problem. Scheduling up also includes playing BETTER program that might also be smaller schools ( Alder, DeSales, etc). Logan schedules up which is more than most of SEO can say. However, one can be completely stupid and schedule up for NON -COMPETITIVE games which you gain nothing from. That appears to be your idea -- fascinated with Lancaster but losing sight of the bigger picture. I think you will find that the current Logan coach who played for Lancaster will agree with me and not you. Lancaster won't be on the schedule for long if he has anything to say about it. Lancaster doesn't belong on the schedule.

[TRENCHFOOT]

Ok Paladin, I have looked at the bigger picture many times and heard it all before. The big P picture is always right. Opinions vary ole Logan buddy. 8) :122245

[moonshine]

Lancaster will be replaced in week one with the bullpuppies starting in 2015

[TRENCHFOOT]

Lancaster will be replaced in week one with the bullpuppies starting in 2015

Yep, Last game with Lancaster is at home this year. Dime a dog night, I hope.

[noreply66]

Any of the big boys for Logan doing track this spring. I think Martin and Myers will. Martin looks to have added some size... hope it helps put that shot out there .

[TRENCHFOOT]

Any of the big boys for Logan doing track this spring. I think Martin and Myers will. Martin looks to have added some size... hope it helps put that shot out there .

Haven't heard Noreply.

[C-Bolt]

:aaaaa46 Paladin, as I recall last year you was saying Logan shouldn't be playing Lancaster. :aaaaa46 Now you are saying how Logan likes to challenge their boys and schedule up and the OCC would be a good fit. Last time I looked Lancaster is an OCC team and that's a challenge and a schedule up. :aaaaa46 :aaaaa46 Now which is it, ole Logan buddy?

Forget it trench! I guess scheduling up either means playing all weak big schools which Logan has a good chance of winning or just scheduling the little area teams who might have winning records. I don't know man you got me,all I know is lowly undermanned Nerk(who Logan beat) went into Galetown and showed it could be done against the all mighty Gales, the team Logan shouldn't be playing BTW Paldi I don't see how playing Desales who is usually tougher than Lancaster is any better :aaaaa30

[TRENCHFOOT]

:aaaaa46 Paladin, as I recall last year you was saying Logan shouldn't be playing Lancaster. :aaaaa46 Now you are saying how Logan likes to challenge their boys and schedule up and the OCC would be a good fit. Last time I looked Lancaster is an OCC team and that's a challenge and a schedule up. :aaaaa46 :aaaaa46 Now which is it, ole Logan buddy?

Forget it trench! I guess scheduling up either means playing all weak big schools which Logan has a good chance of winning or just scheduling the little area teams who might have winning records. I don't know man you got me,all I know is lowly undermanned Nerk(who Logan beat) went into Galetown and showed it could be done against the all mighty Gales, the team Logan shouldn't be playing

:aaaaa24 :aaaaa24 :aaaaa24 :aaaaa24

[moonshine]

I will miss the wind on our schedule But the bullpuppies will prove to be an excellent opener for years to come!

[TRENCHFOOT]

I will miss the wind on our schedule But the bullpuppies will prove to be an excellent opener for years to come!

The wind should have never been our opener anyways in my opinion. Should have played them on into the schedule, 4th or 5th game. But there I go again with my fascination with Lancaster.

[noreply66]

I always thought Lancaster shouldn't have been the first game. When our coach gets his system down near 100% Logan could make a better game of it against Lancaster. Lancaster is far from the team it is use to and for their numbers they are a sad program.

[dazed&confused]

It was a great first game a few years ago.

[noreply66]

Even then Logan should have had a game or two under their belts.