D5-Region 17 Final: #1 Bishop Hartley vs #3 Wheelersburg

[Burg#1]

To the NY workers- you guys put on a great outing and were great hosts- the new highway to get in and out of the stadium is very nice. Every time we have been there you guys are great hosts, thank you

[Burg_Grad_77]

First off, congrats to Hartley on the win. Your offense was impossible to stop tonight and you were the better team on the field this night.

Also, congrats to the Pirates on another great season. You entertained us all for 13 straight weeks and we all thank you very much for that.

Now for the game. How do three officials stand up and all of them point that it is Burgs ball, our player stands up with the ball, and then all of a sudden it's Hartleys ball. WTF??? That was a huge turning point right at the start. If we had kept the ball maybe we go down and score first and go up 7-0 for the early lead instead of playing from behind all night.

As for the passing game, or lack of it everyone is mentioning. It's kind of hard to complete a pass when you have DB's pulling the jerseys or cleaning the clocks of your receivers all over the field. I know they are allowed to jam them at the LOS, but after 5 yarsd they can't touch them and yet they did all night and none more blatant than the huge hit on Claxon on Eddies 2nd INT. He had his clock cleaned by the DB and no call, while the ball was in the air. Another WTF??? The Burg ran the ball really well against Hartley, so if they could have gotten the passing game going they may actually had a chance to score a couple more times.

Burg shot themselves in the foot as well. The halfback pass should have never been thrown. Dylan was double covered so May should have tucked it and got what he could running the ball. That was a potential 7 points as was the end of the half when they ran out of time. If they get those 2 scores they would have right back in it. Of course, they also would have had to get a stop or two on defense and they just couldn't do it.

Oh well, the game is in the books and Hartley outplayed us at every facet of the game. Someone said earlier that both us and Valley had lost to the eventual state champions. Well I don;t see it that way, especially since NC got it handed to them by Ready and Hartley will more then likely have to rematch with Coldwater and handed it to them earlier this year and more than likely will again. The DV title runs through Coldwater this year.

[callie11]

Don' t blame the officals, you sound like Minford and West. Burg got beat because they weren't near as good as Hartley. This offense sucks in big games and bad weather tonight you had both and the offensive calls were as inept as usual .

[Trojan_Pride]

coldwater will NOT hand it to Harley as they did earlier although they may win

[yabbadabbadoo]

Don' t blame the officals, you sound like Minford and West. Burg got beat because they weren't near as good as Hartley. This offense sucks in big games and bad weather tonight you had both and the offensive calls were as inept as usual .

Burg's offense looked fine to me. They ran it down Hartley's throat all night long. Hartley never stopped the Burg all night. Burg stopped the Burg. The phantom fumble, the dumb play call of the halfback pass (wasn't needed as Burg was driving on the ground again) and the missed scoring chance right before the half. Don't get me wrong, Hartley is a very, very good football team but trust me, they knew they were in a fight tonight.



Like was said above, hard to get your receivers open when the DB's are grabbing jerseys as the WR's go down field. I see now why there DB's are so good. Hell, I would do it all night too if I knew it wasn't going to be called, but Burg really didn't need to throw much. Does anyone know how many yards Burg had?

[Burg_Grad_77]

Don' t blame the officals, you sound like Minford and West. Burg got beat because they weren't near as good as Hartley. This offense sucks in big games and bad weather tonight you had both and the offensive calls were as inept as usual .

Since when is it not a penalty to garb a jersey of an opposing player and pull on it?

Since when is it no a penalty to knock a receiver to the ground while the ball is in the air?

Dylan Miller was manhandled all night long way past the 5 yard limit so don't tell me it didn't affect the game. It's hard to run your routes and get open when someone has a fist full of your jersey.

[Burg_Grad_77]

coldwater will NOT hand it to Harley as they did earlier although they may win

Coldwater hung 60 on a good Huron team tonight. They WILL hand it to Hartley, or anyone else they meet on their way to another title.

[Jesco White]

Yeah the officials were a little off page from each other but Burg could not stop Hartley at all. The Hawks couldn't stop the Pirates either. Unfortunately, the Burg stopped themselves on three turnovers. If Burg doesn't make those mistakes, along with the xp difficulties, Burg could have made it a bit closer and had a chance to stay in it.

My biggest gripe is the Private vs Public. Open enrollment has leveled this playing field slightly but the OHSAA needs to evaluate this. Walking up on the Hartley team up close when I was leaving, I noticed how big and athletic those guys looked. I believe a lot are recruited solely for foot ball. Don't believe, just look at their home page.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php/football

Specifically this page as well.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php ... l=&start=7

What exactly are we supposed to be looking at on those pages?

[JasonClaytor]

As a Hartley fan the refs weren't great and there were a lot of flags that probably should have been thrown, but it was hardly one sided. On countless occasions it was clear Hartley was being held on run plays and I think it was only called once on a pass, where I didn't even see a hold. I think the opening onside kick went to Hartley because it didn't make it 10 yards before being touched by Wheelersburg. Millers interception was to the safety for Hartley and there was none around him when he caught the ball, so I'm not sure why anyone is complaining about a pass interference on that. Hartley defense may have given up some yards, but they came up big at the end of the first half and in the fourth quarter.

The game was won because of the offensive line, which many fans from other teams said wasn't very good. Every play they had opposing players going down like bowling pins.

It was a great game by two deserving teams. Both teams showed they belonged in the regional final. Congrats to Wheelersburg on a great season. Nothing to hang your heads about.

[vladimir]

I don't believe no contact with a receiver after the 5 yard rule applies to HS football. You can never hold a receiver but you can jam, bump him off his route, and even hit him as long as the ball isn't in the air. Once the ball is in the air then pass interference applies. Also a football move after the reception is not in HS football either. Its only once you have possession and one foot down. I heard some Burg fan's talking about the Ironton loss last year when Martin fumbled saying the refs made a bad call b/c after the reception he didn't make a "football move." The rules in HS, college, and the NFL are not uniform.

[JasonClaytor]

Yeah the officials were a little off page from each other but Burg could not stop Hartley at all. The Hawks couldn't stop the Pirates either. Unfortunately, the Burg stopped themselves on three turnovers. If Burg doesn't make those mistakes, along with the xp difficulties, Burg could have made it a bit closer and had a chance to stay in it.

My biggest gripe is the Private vs Public. Open enrollment has leveled this playing field slightly but the OHSAA needs to evaluate this. Walking up on the Hartley team up close when I was leaving, I noticed how big and athletic those guys looked. I believe a lot are recruited solely for foot ball. Don't believe, just look at their home page.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php/football

Specifically this page as well.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php ... l=&start=7

Morris from Hartley is 6'4, defense and some offense. Brandewie the quarterback is 6'4. There are two more that are maybe 6'2 and the rest are about 6 ft or shorter. Man for man Hartley and Wheelersburg were virtually the same size. Just about everyone on the roster went to one of Hartleys feeder schools, including most of Hartleys "big" players.

[Burg_Grad_77]

As a Hartley fan the refs weren't great and there were a lot of flags that probably should have been thrown, but it was hardly one sided. On countless occasions it was clear Hartley was being held on run plays and I think it was only called once on a pass, where I didn't even see a hold. I think the opening onside kick went to Hartley because it didn't make it 10 yards before being touched by Wheelersburg. Millers interception was to the safety for Hartley and there was none around him when he caught the ball, so I'm not sure why anyone is complaining about a pass interference on that. Hartley defense may have given up some yards, but they came up big at the end of the first half and in the fourth quarter.

The game was won because of the offensive line, which many fans from other teams said wasn't very good. Every play they had opposing players going down like bowling pins.

It was a great game by two deserving teams. Both teams showed they belonged in the regional final. Congrats to Wheelersburg on a great season. Nothing to hang your heads about.

The reason there was no one around the safety is because the receiver, #3, had been knocked to the ground about 7 or 8 yards behind the ball as he was running his route in that direction while the ball was in the air. It was a timing pattern and just as he turned to go up field he was knocked off his feet right after Eddie threw the ball. It happened right in front of where I was sitting. Should have been a flag.

[yabbadabbadoo]

As a Hartley fan the refs weren't great and there were a lot of flags that probably should have been thrown, but it was hardly one sided. On countless occasions it was clear Hartley was being held on run plays and I think it was only called once on a pass, where I didn't even see a hold. I think the opening onside kick went to Hartley because it didn't make it 10 yards before being touched by Wheelersburg. Millers interception was to the safety for Hartley and there was none around him when he caught the ball, so I'm not sure why anyone is complaining about a pass interference on that. Hartley defense may have given up some yards, but they came up big at the end of the first half and in the fourth quarter.

The game was won because of the offensive line, which many fans from other teams said wasn't very good. Every play they had opposing players going down like bowling pins.

It was a great game by two deserving teams. Both teams showed they belonged in the regional final. Congrats to Wheelersburg on a great season. Nothing to hang your heads about.

It didn't matter that the ball didn't travel 10 yards (which I'm pretty sure it did) the BH player touched the ball, bobbled it and then was hit by the Burg. 3 refs signaled Burg's ball and then they changed it. If the 10 yard is the reason than they really blew that call.


On the pick by the safety. The reason there was no one in the area is because the intended receiver was pushed to the ground as he went to make his cut.


In no way I'm saying the refs cost the Burg this game, but if give the Burg the ball on the onside kick, the "fumble" on Burg's 2nd possession is ruled down and the no call on the pass INT and this could have been a different game. Not saying Burg would have won but I do think they would have had hartley worried a little bit.

[yabbadabbadoo]

Yeah the officials were a little off page from each other but Burg could not stop Hartley at all. The Hawks couldn't stop the Pirates either. Unfortunately, the Burg stopped themselves on three turnovers. If Burg doesn't make those mistakes, along with the xp difficulties, Burg could have made it a bit closer and had a chance to stay in it.

My biggest gripe is the Private vs Public. Open enrollment has leveled this playing field slightly but the OHSAA needs to evaluate this. Walking up on the Hartley team up close when I was leaving, I noticed how big and athletic those guys looked. I believe a lot are recruited solely for foot ball. Don't believe, just look at their home page.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php/football

Specifically this page as well.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php ... l=&start=7

Morris from Hartley is 6'4, defense and some offense. Brandewie the quarterback is 6'4. There are two more that are maybe 6'2 and the rest are about 6 ft or shorter. Man for man Hartley and Wheelersburg were virtually the same size. Just about everyone on the roster went to one of Hartleys feeder schools, including most of Hartleys "big" players.

What does that mean? That not all of Hartley's player live around the school? That they, dare I say it, recruit, but since it is a private school it is not recruiting but if a kid wants to go to a public school he has to sit out a year. What a crock of BS!!!!!

[Trojan_Pride]

coldwater will NOT hand it to Harley as they did earlier although they may win

Coldwater hung 60 on a good Huron team tonight. They WILL hand it to Hartley, or anyone else they meet on their way to another title.

game 1 stats coldwater vs Hartley

first downs 29-18 in favor Hartley
time possession 30-18 in favor Hartley
penalty 9 Hartley 2 coldwater

and wasn't the turnovers like 4 for Hartley and 0 coldwater ??

this game will be a 1 to 2 score either way if they meet up

[JasonClaytor]

coldwater will NOT hand it to Harley as they did earlier although they may win

Coldwater hung 60 on a good Huron team tonight. They WILL hand it to Hartley, or anyone else they meet on their way to another title.

game 1 stats coldwater vs Hartley

first downs 29-18 in favor Hartley
time possession 30-18 in favor Hartley
penalty 9 Hartley 2 coldwater

and wasn't the turnovers like 4 for Hartley and 0 coldwater ??

I think Coldwater had one turnover. Hartley fumbled in the endzone and Coldwater recovered it for a touchdown and there was a pick 6.

So they scored 27 on Hartleys defense. I'm pretty sure the other two turnovers led to Coldwater scoring drives. Coldwater is one of the most fundamentally sound high school teams I've seen. They just rarely make mistakes and it helps that their quarterback is a great athlete.

[vladimir]

Well I guess it's up to the Trimble Tomcats for the pride of Southern Ohio, which is about 5 min down the street from Boston field.

Div 7, Region 25 Final:
Glouster Trimble 21
Shadyside 14

[Trojan_Pride]

Well I guess it's up to the Trimble Tomcats for the pride of Southern Ohio, which is about 5 min down the street from Boston field.

Div 7, Region 25 Final:
Glouster Trimble 21
Shadyside 14

I seen on that other thread trimble made some great halftime adjustments and shut that team down in 2nd half !!! gotta love coaches that do this

[Burg#1]

Let's talk about the MADD dogg 2nd place SOC pirates..... Beat down. Not quite good enough. Just like ed miller stadium week 9. Losers.

First of all young high school kid we werent beat down at all- we were beat by a better team last night- but take back those three calls that were mentioned and we are in the game- watch talking the smack you are going to be on the receiving of it one day

[wobycat]

Yeah the officials were a little off page from each other but Burg could not stop Hartley at all. The Hawks couldn't stop the Pirates either. Unfortunately, the Burg stopped themselves on three turnovers. If Burg doesn't make those mistakes, along with the xp difficulties, Burg could have made it a bit closer and had a chance to stay in it.

My biggest gripe is the Private vs Public. Open enrollment has leveled this playing field slightly but the OHSAA needs to evaluate this. Walking up on the Hartley team up close when I was leaving, I noticed how big and athletic those guys looked. I believe a lot are recruited solely for foot ball. Don't believe, just look at their home page.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php/football

Specifically this page as well.

http://www.bishop-hartley.org/index.php ... l=&start=7

What exactly are we supposed to be looking at on those pages?

Take time to look jesco and read. When it maps out the stages of how a player should go about being recruited by colleges as a high school player in the recruiting packet. Parents pay for these kids to attend these schools, FAPE does not factor in this situation. I wonder what the cost of tuition is there?