Catholic Schools out of OHSAA- Would it be more fair to public schools?

[route7]

My big problem is Newark Catholic around here... St Joe and ND are harmless

[Orange and Brown]

My big problem is Newark Catholic around here... St Joe and ND are harmless

We play them every year in football and it's a great series year in and year out. While it's true there had a lot of success in Football I wouldn't put them up their with some of the powerhouse Catholic schools.

I'm sure kids want to go their to play football or baseball, I wouldn't go so far as to say they recruit. Most of their enrollment is kids whose family have went to school their.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

not many schools ever in the state have been to so many state title games as ironton for teams in their relative size. that's not a knock on any team. just a fact. it's a whole different world in a state title game. let's say the officiating is questionable at best, playing these manufactured private school's. that's all I have to say about that. and the way these teams are put together, depth is an incredible disadvantage. these schools have no drop-offs in talent depth wise to any length. for example like col. desales. heck then bring in 9/10 at a time just as good as the starters. so that definitely creates a big disadvantage. no matter how anybody feels about this post. I stand by it, and I'm in no way trying to be de-meaning in any way. I've been there too many times and witnessed it. we sat right there in massillon one day in a dead even match with akron saint Vincent saint Mary's. a receiver from asvsm laid out for a long pass. the ball easily hit the ground 3 feet in front of the receiver and skipped right into his waiting hands. I think it was like 4th down. ironton's side erupted because of the incomplete pass. because we now had the ball back. only to see the refs running downfield signaling that the pass was complete. ahhhhhhhhh don't get me started. just giving my opinion. i'll go 1 more time.================== ironton was playing Columbus bishop Watterson at Watterson. prior to the game the announcers ask all the (o'official's) to mid field so they say something like tonight's officials are tim o'henry, marty o'davis, tom o'shay, larry O'Leary and the head ref is none other than paul o'toole. can paul o'toole step forward please. so he does. and a guy approaches him with a small package in his hands. the announcer goes on to say something like paul o'toole is reffing his last game for bishop Watterson tonight and he has been with Watterson for 30 years. and tonight we'd like to honor his service to the district with this gold retirement watch from the Columbus bishop Watterson high school.--------------- hey if I'm lyin , I'm dyin. not only as an ironton fan are you staring at 110 kids in that gold and red looking like boston college over there. but you are the away team and they just presented the head ref with a gold watch for a retirement gift. -------------- honestly how would you feel as an ironton fan. I could go on and one, but I won't.

[Abe Froman]

ironton would likely have 6 state titles had they not ran into these buzzsaws of private schools instead of 2.

Lol, ummm, yeah because all the kids on the Ironton dynasty teams were all "home grown".

Said the pot to the kettle.

[Raider6309]

The biggest whiners are always the cheaters. The problem is 90%+ use what's in their school district. The rest pull from a larger area. That's not cheating to ohsaa but cheating to the majority.

[Omega]

To be the best, should not one want to beat the best? Using the fairness thought process, should we consider removing Wheelersburg or any school that has consistent winning/championship seasons so that the Northwest's of the world have a chance. Somehow that seems like having your highest achievement award being a participation ribbon.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

WHATEVER YA'LL SAY.

[LHS 72]

To be the best OHSAA has a process and it has worked well for years, Kids are what's important no matter where they go to school. most schools want to play the best for a Championship!

[formerfcfan]

Am curious if the OP has something against Catholic schools specifically and not private schools more generally. The shoes fit the same, yet it seems odd to call the Cath's out when the non-Cath's, particularly in D7 football/D4 basketball, have eliminated more SE Ohio public schools in football and basketball in the regional tournament recently than the Cath's have.

Newark Catholic hasn't been relevant, outside of baseball, on the regional stage for a few years now. Last beat an SEO team in regional play for football in 2013 versus Valley, but for basketball it's been like six years.

Excise all the private schools, and OHSAA likely goes back to AAA, AA, A classification for non-football, and the five division (read: not six) set-up for football. Maybe we'll get to see Wheelersburg play the TVC-Hocking's 3rd place team in round 1 of the 2019 Division V, Region 19 football playoffs. Sounds like that'd be a dandy.

[YOU'RE TIGER BAIT]

the post I made makes bob Lutz's accomplishments even more amazing. he not only ran right at these teams , he scheduled them every year he could. becoming ohio high school's winningest football coach ever. I think it's a record that will never be broken. all I have to say is back when I played there was nobody on the team that was not an ironton resident. I cannot speak past that. and yes there is open enrollment now. but in the day. to be on the team you had to either grew up in ironton or moved there.

[LICKING COUNTY FAN]

From all of the talk about Newark Catholic(WHO I ROOT FOR BUT HAVE NO TIES TO)they lose more students then they gain.
Not sure, who, if anyone is recruiting for them butt hey need to be fired.


On a serious not, with the way some of the public schools recruit, why not kick them out too?

In this society of everyone must play and everyone must get a trophy, I wonder why kids even bother playing.
Kids today, thank God are not as soft as those on this board(Mostly parents, I am guessing)who cry about this stuff all of the time.

Parents/Fans like this need to get another hobby and quit crying.

[Chieftain2009]

Well said.

[Dandy Don]

Some of the public schools are just as bad as some of the private schools.

Examples across the board of public and private.

Just enforce the rules and play.

[trojandave]

The Portsmouth Trojans vs. Private (Catholic/Jesuit/Christian) schools in noteworthy games over the last several decades:

1978: Class AA basketball state championship: Portsmouth 63, Cleveland Cathedral Latin 62
1980: Class AA baseball state championship: Cleveland Holy Name 4, Portsmouth 3
1984: Class AA football state semifinal: Cincinnati McNicholas 28, Portsmouth 14
1988: Division II basketball regional semifinal at UD Arena: Portsmouth 76, Kettering Alter 68
1994: Division II basketball regional semifinal at Athens: Columbus St.Charles 56, Portsmouth 53
2000: Division III football regional final at Hillsboro: Portsmouth 31, Dayton Chaminade Julienne 24
2011: Division III basketball state semifinal: Cleveland Central Catholic 58, Portsmouth 47
2012: Division III basketball state championship: Cincinnati Summit Country Day 53, Portsmouth 37

Portsmouth has fared pretty well against private schools over the course of its history. Above is just a sampling of how the Trojans have fared in significant games, not to mention a good measure of success vs. private schools in the regular season........wins over Cleveland VASJ in football and Cincinnati Moeller in basketball, just to mention a few.

I personally don't have a problem whatsoever with the current system with only 1 exception.......in basketball, I think Division I should be split into 2 divisions, considering that there is a discrepancy of about 700 boys from the smallest D1 to the largest D1. A 7th division was added in football by the OHSAA which I think was a very good move, essentially splitting up D1. The same could be done for basketball.

As far as "recruiting" and open enrollment, it is virtually state wide and includes schools of all types, sizes, and geographical locations. There is no part of Ohio that is immune to the "mobility" of today's high school athletes. It's just something that everyone has to deal with, and the age old solution is to get better or get left behind.

[Paladin]

Many of the public school coaches in the state have used an "unoffical" rule for scheduling, especially in football -- if you are Catholic and you "recruit", we do not play you. Only in tournaments will we meet. Many are excluded from public school leagues. And, as a former Parochial coach, I agree thats fair. My teams had been in public school leagues because we didn't recruit.

The trouble makers are known. The innocent are too.

[trojandave]

There are a few leagues that have both private and public schools in their membership........Delphos St.John's is a member of the Midwest Athletic Conference, while Toledo Central Catholic and Toledo St.John's are members in the Toledo City League. Then there are Catholic school leagues in which no public schools are members, most notably the Greater Catholic League. The GCL does have 2 divisions, with the larger division being made up of St.Xavier, Elder, Moeller, and LaSalle. The smaller division consists of schools such as Chaminade-Julienne, Kettering Alter, and Roger Bacon. I do believe that despite the difference in size between the 2 divisions, there is a large amount of crossover play.

[Texas 2]

Last season Jackson defeated Bishop Watterson 14 to 0 in the playoffs but lost to Zanesville.
Zanesville isn't a private school. Watterson is a Catholic school. Look at Athens two years ago . They went to the Finals. It depends on how good your coaches are and how good your players . There are kids in school could play football but they don't want to or the parents don't want them to play. If your good enough you can beat anybody.

[EagleFan89]

There are a few leagues that have both private and public schools in their membership........Delphos St.John's is a member of the Midwest Athletic Conference, while Toledo Central Catholic and Toledo St.John's are members in the Toledo City League. Then there are Catholic school leagues in which no public schools are members, most notably the Greater Catholic League. The GCL does have 2 divisions, with the larger division being made up of St.Xavier, Elder, Moeller, and LaSalle. The smaller division consists of schools such as Chaminade-Julienne, Kettering Alter, and Roger Bacon. I do believe that despite the difference in size between the 2 divisions, there is a large amount of crossover play.

Toledo Central Catholic and Toledo St. John have not been in the City League in a number of years.

Though they are in a mixed league still (Three Rivers) with Lima Senior, Fremont Ross, Findlay and more.

[trojandave]

EagleFan89: Thanks for the correction........I knew at one time that both schools were in the Toledo City League.

[EagleFan89]

So proposal is to remove Catholic schools from the OHSAA? Lutheran and other Christian schools and private secular schools get to stay?