Point Pleasant (WV) to the TVC or OVC? SEOAL?

warrior90 · Post by **warrior90** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:43 am

So the only team in the SEOAL that would be classified as AAA would be Logan where Warren and Jackson would be AA if you extrapolate for 4 grades. Understand your point about Ripley and Park South now. Thanks gobigblack and omega for clearing that up for me.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:45 am

honestly ya'll. I don't see the ovc expanding. especially with schools the size of Jackson and point pleasant. and I kmnow little about the point , other than they have a very good program. and Jackson has just way outgrown ironton population wise. I'm not saying this because Jackson has beaten ironton the last several times they played. the Lawrence, Scioto and Gallia schools in the ovc just do not have the enrollment anymore to have any depth. and ak steel formerly Armco steel in Ashland, ky. which is an enourmous employer for lawrence and Scioto county residents just permanently layed off like 620 employees. those are actual Armco employees. and from what I'm hearing about 400 more contractor jobs with in the plant. so over 1,000 permanent jobs are gone. and there will be a lot of folks leaving the area. I think it will hit ironton/Ashland ky. the worst. that plant when I worked for union contractors over there ran with like 4500 employees. they are down to like 300 permanent jobs there now. and I'm sure union or not, each is required to have a multitude of jobs now that they can do, which would have normally spilled over to other trades, unions. ironton has had crazy success with anybody within a 100 mile radius in the past. but those days are gone.you'll see ironton struggling to have 30 people on a team here in the next year or so, because of this steel mill fallout.

Omega · Post by **Omega** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:36 am

Abe Froman wrote:
Omega wrote: If you are AA. games against AAA schools count as qualifying points games. Logan (WV) was AA for years but played up to AAA back when they won many state basketball championships. Either the TVC or OVC would be a good competitive fit for Point, but not for the conferences themselves. Maybe the SEOAL would accept them as a last ditch effort to stay alive, but given the shaky ground the SEOAL is on, that would not serve Point well into the future.
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so already?

They were members last time Point joined, and are still there, nothing shaky about that, and it doesn't appear they are going anywhere anytime soon based on the latest news.

Point would be a good addition, especially if they could get one more like Marietta.

I personally like the idea of Point to the OVC along with Jackson and a division in football that includes Point-Gallia-Ironton-Portsmouth-Jackson. Probably won't happen but I still like the idea.

The shaky part was that a few seasons ago the SEOAL had 10 members, now three. I understand the history and tradition of the SEOAL
as the AA size conference in south east Ohio, but there are no longer enough schools of that size to make it viable in the future. Past
experiments of crossing the river for conference play have not worked well due to different sports calanders, rules, and playoff systems. I respect Point, South, and the Big Red., they just need to find a WV solution.

LetsGoPSU · Post by **LetsGoPSU** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:42 pm

You need to be looking threw rose colored glasses to believe the SEOAL isnt on shaky ground

enigmaax · Post by **enigmaax** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:37 pm

Abe Froman wrote:
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so

The only reason that those teams are still clinging to the SEOAL is because no other leagues will take them. That is stability in your mind?

GoBucks1047 · Post by **GoBucks1047** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:57 pm

warrior90 wrote:So the only team in the SEOAL that would be classified as AAA would be Logan where Warren and Jackson would be AA if you extrapolate for 4 grades. Understand your point about Ripley and Park South now. Thanks gobigblack and omega for clearing that up for me.

Hm... I always thought the classifications next to the numbers of boys or girls in Ohio's enrollment figures would have been similar to West Virginia's. So this is what it would look like for all the teams being brought up:
Parkersburg 1,888 AAA D1
Parkersburg South 1,568 AAA D2
Logan 1,115 AAA D2
Ripley 940 AAA D2*
Marietta 808 AA D3
Point Pleasant 768 AA D3
Athens 748 AA D3
Jackson 651 AA D3
Warren 641 AA D3
Gallia Academy 558 AA D4
* = Estimated Number for boys enrollment (9-11)
And the numbers came from US News from each school's report (9-12).

PointPleasantRules · Post by **PointPleasantRules** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:14 pm

I have heard our coaches make fun of the league Wahamma is in and now we want to join? I say NO, a thousand times NO!
How we continue to claim to be the CROWN JEWEL OF MASON COUNTY by joining the TVC? I suppose hannan will want to join too!

GoBucks1047 · Post by **GoBucks1047** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:15 pm

Obviously Gallia and Athens show no signs of coming back, but I thought I'd include them since they're former members and are located nearby.

Post by **noreply66** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:19 pm

enigmaax wrote:
Abe Froman wrote:
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so
The only reason that those teams are still clinging to the SEOAL is because no other leagues will take them. That is stability in your mind?

They will always be afraid of the SEOAL. This is a fact because the two schools with the most league championships in football are still with the league and Warren isn't in the league just for football. Warren goes for overall sports.

Abe Froman · Post by **Abe Froman** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:31 pm

enigmaax wrote:
Abe Froman wrote:
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so
The only reason that those teams are still clinging to the SEOAL is because no other leagues will take them. That is stability in your mind?

Three teams that have been joined at the hip for no less than 20 years (90+ for two of them) and have nowhere to go is better than 10 teams all looking for different pastures. What is not stable about that?

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:53 pm

LetsGoPSU wrote:You need to be looking threw rose colored glasses to believe the SEOAL isnt on shaky ground

I think so as well.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:56 pm

GoBucks1047 wrote:
warrior90 wrote:So the only team in the SEOAL that would be classified as AAA would be Logan where Warren and Jackson would be AA if you extrapolate for 4 grades. Understand your point about Ripley and Park South now. Thanks gobigblack and omega for clearing that up for me.
Hm... I always thought the classifications next to the numbers of boys or girls in Ohio's enrollment figures would have been similar to West Virginia's. So this is what it would look like for all the teams being brought up:
Parkersburg 1,888 AAA D1
Parkersburg South 1,568 AAA D2
Logan 1,115 AAA D2
Ripley 940 AAA D2*
Marietta 808 AA D3
Point Pleasant 768 AA D3
Athens 748 AA D3
Jackson 651 AA D3
Warren 641 AA D3
Gallia Academy 558 AA D4
* = Estimated Number for boys enrollment (9-11)
And the numbers came from US News from each school's report (9-12).

that's exactly what I'm talking about as far as ironton , several of those teams we just finished contracts with in the past few years.and we have fell to a very small d5 in ohio now. this steel mill closing could put that in very serious peril to plummet farther down to d6.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:00 pm

noreply66 wrote:
enigmaax wrote:
Abe Froman wrote:
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so
The only reason that those teams are still clinging to the SEOAL is because no other leagues will take them. That is stability in your mind?
They will always be afraid of the SEOAL. This is a fact because the two schools with the most league championships in football are still with the league and Warren isn't in the league just for football. Warren goes for overall sports.

as far as ironton goes. we played so many of these huge schools over the years with trememdous success. but those days are long gone in my opinion. that's the main reason. that and coach lutz and winning , that is why we are so proud of our past we excelled playing teams 4/5 times our size. but sadly that was another era. I miss playing these goliath sized schools myself, and all the road trips. but sadly that seems like a lifetime ago now.

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT · Post by **YOU'RE TIGER BAIT** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:02 pm

but we were never afraid to play any of them. the ad would call all over ohio, ky, west va. trying to find games when we were independent. size was never really a scare to them.

Roadhog · Post by **Roadhog** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:36 pm

I'm gonna ruffle some feathers here , so maybe it's time for some of the Rt 52 river schools to consolidate?????

Roadhog · Post by **Roadhog** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:40 pm

Combine Ironton and Rockhill ,call it Ironrock HS home of the Red Tigers!!!

Abe Froman · Post by **Abe Froman** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:42 pm

YOU'RE TIGER BAIT wrote:
LetsGoPSU wrote:You need to be looking threw rose colored glasses to believe the SEOAL isnt on shaky ground

I think so as well.

What is shaky about Logan and Jackson and Warren YTB? Where are they going?

Poo Bear · Post by **Poo Bear** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:46 pm

enigmaax wrote:
Abe Froman wrote:
Exactly what is shaky about a league that has been around 90+ years with both Logan and Jackson being founding members and how long has Warren been there 20+ years or so
The only reason that those teams are still clinging to the SEOAL is because no other leagues will take them. That is stability in your mind?

Yes because those 3 teams aren't going anywhere

Roadhog · Post by **Roadhog** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:48 pm

Combine South Point and Chesssypeak ,call it Chessypoint HS home of the Pointing panthers!!

Roadhog · Post by **Roadhog** » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:56 pm

Combine Oak Hill and Wheeelesburg call it Oakenhill HS home of the Oakpirts!!

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