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BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:34 pm
by ace63
Bernie kosar filed chapyer 11. He owes the browns 2 mill, his ex wife 3 mill , banks 9 mill for bad real Estate investments. clev galdators 3 mill. Hes broke.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:41 am
by madpolecat
Wow. That really sucks for him.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:58 am
by WitnessProtection
Bernie needs a bailout!
Seriously, bad luck for a great guy.
I know a lot of his bidness deals have gone south for him.
$9 million to banks!!! Wow!
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:00 am
by WitnessProtection
AP story from Yahoo!Sports ...
MIAMI (AP)—Former NFL and Miami Hurricanes star quarterback Bernie Kosar has filed for bankruptcy protection in Miami.
Kosar’s Chapter 11 filing Friday lists assets between $1 million and $10 million and liabilities of between $10 million and $50 million.
Kosar owes almost $1.5 million in “unsecured debt†to the Cleveland Browns, who he played for from 1985 to 1993. Kosar also owes his ex-wife Babette $3 million and $725,000 (from a personal loan) to the owner of the Cleveland Gladiators of the Arena Football League. He owes a bank more than $9 million for bad real estate deals.
The 45-year-old Kosar got divorced in 2007 and last year saw his steakhouse go out of business.
Kosar, who also played for Dallas and Miami, retired from the NFL in 1996.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:54 pm
by dazed&confused
Could be worse-the late Michael Jackson owes $400 million! Seriously, how do you get THAT far in debt? Who was stupid enough to lend him that kind of money?
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 6:49 pm
by ace63
He is just continuing his losing ways.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:29 pm
by noreply66
Not much of a Browns fan but I always liked Bernie
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:30 pm
by ace63
His stats were not that great. He was flat footed. One time he came close, But you said close only counts in horse shoes. So it dont count. Got his ring riding the pine. Not a hof. And hes broke. Those degrees did real well.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:19 pm
by ace63
As you said close dont count. He came close once. Boomers stats were higher than joes going into superbowl.
I have the paper. Bernie was never as good as boomer. Just making the playoffs than getting beat is not close. Boomer about doubled his reg season passing. Boomer was a pro bowl qb. One of the best. And I remember mack. He got arrested selling drugs to kids.
Being flat footed ment he couldnt run . Held him back as a qb. Needed a calender to time him in the 40.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:54 pm
by ace63
gahs4ever wrote:Boomer Schmoomer...put Bernie behind those great Bengal O-lines and see what he would have done. Put Boomer behind the porous Browns O-lines of the late 80s and you would never have heard of Boomer.
You keep saying Bernie came close as if you are unaware that one man cannot win or lose any game. Takes 53 where I grew up.
How many Bengals are in the HOF? Dont strain your brain with such big numbers....I'll give you a clue. ONE!
BTW...your immobility argument is lost on traditional drop back NFL passers like Unitas, Namath, Montana, Tittle, Jurgenson, etc all of whom are in the HOF.
Duh, They have had a team twice as long as bengals. And when there is only 8 teams , not much to pick from .
Do the math. If a team has been around for a 100 years and the other 50 . I guess you would have more than the other. Its not that there better, just been around longer.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:57 pm
by ace63
gahs4ever wrote:This wont settle anything because you have your kitty cat blinders on and dont want to talk truth, but here are the career totals for both Boomer and Bernie. I would note that Bernie has a slightly higher completion percentage and QB rating while enjoying a MUCH lower INT ratio. I would also remind you that while Bernies stats are seemingly dwarfed by Boomers, you should note that Boomer played in 61 more games for a pass first offense so it stands to reason that he SHOULD have better yardage and TD numbers.
NAME...........G............C/A....................YDS...............PCT..........TD.......INT.......QB RATING
BOOMER.....187.......2969/5205.......37,920..............570.........247......184.............81.1
BERNIE......126.......1994/3365.......23,301..............593.........124........87.............81.8
Even in the Browns run first offense under Schottenheimer, Boomer played in a third more games than Bernie. If you add a third more stats had Bernie played those 61 more games you would have numbers similar to Boomers. Pro rated out it would be approximately 3050/5000 for 35,000 yds and 185 TD with only 130 INT.
Which QB won more games? Which played in more playoff games? Which played in 4 Div championship games? Which has a Super Bowl ring? Which was EVER NFL MVP?
Duh, when you have about half the passes you will throw less ints, duh
Your stats are not the same i found.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:16 pm
by ace63
Boomer also played for the jets and cards .duh which stats do you want just with cinci or life time ????????
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:25 pm
by ace63
gahs4ever wrote:Go back to the link oh wise one. I took the career stats of both; ie the bottom line.
Ill bet he had a 83 % after jets .
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:30 pm
by ace63
Just the facts, not trying to sway with diluted facts. pieces left out. False statments.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:50 am
by boogerred
Enough!!!
They were both good quarterbacks!!! That is a fair statement.
it is too bad what happened to Bernie. i wish him luck.
Re: BERNIE KOSAR FILES CHAPTER 11
Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:55 am
by boogerred
From nfl.com:
Bernie Kosar
Passing
Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
1996 Miami Dolphins 3 32 24 75.0 10.7 208 6.5 69.3 1 3.1 0 0.0 20 1 0 6 34 102.1
1995 Miami Dolphins 9 108 74 68.5 12.0 699 6.5 77.7 3 2.8 5 4.6 31T 6 0 6 28 76.1
1994 Miami Dolphins 2 12 7 58.3 6.0 80 6.7 40.0 1 8.3 1 8.3 22 2 0 0 0 71.5
1993 Dallas Cowboys 4 63 36 57.1 15.8 410 6.5 102.5 3 4.8 0 0.0 86 4 1 2 4 92.7
1993 Cleveland Browns 7 138 79 57.2 19.7 807 5.8 115.3 5 3.6 3 2.2 38T 11 0 21 128 77.2
1992 Cleveland Browns 7 155 103 66.5 22.1 1,160 7.5 165.7 8 5.2 7 4.5 69T 11 3 21 126 87.0
1991 Cleveland Browns 16 494 307 62.1 30.9 3,487 7.1 217.9 18 3.6 9 1.8 71T 42 9 41 232 87.8
1990 Cleveland Browns 13 423 230 54.4 32.5 2,562 6.1 197.1 10 2.4 15 3.5 50 0 0 37 220 65.7
1989 Cleveland Browns 16 513 303 59.1 32.1 3,533 6.9 220.8 18 3.5 14 2.7 97T 0 0 34 192 80.3
1988 Cleveland Browns 9 259 156 60.2 28.8 1,890 7.3 210.0 10 3.9 7 2.7 77T 0 0 25 172 84.3
1987 Cleveland Browns 12 389 241 62.0 32.4 3,033 7.8 252.8 22 5.7 9 2.3 54T 0 0 22 129 95.4
1986 Cleveland Browns 16 531 310 58.4 33.2 3,854 7.3 240.9 17 3.2 10 1.9 72T 0 0 39 274 83.8
1985 Cleveland Browns 12 248 124 50.0 20.7 1,578 6.4 131.5 8 3.2 7 2.8 68T 0 0 19 121 69.3
TOTAL 126 3,365 1,994 59.3 26.7 23,301 6.9 184.9 124 3.7 87 2.6 97 77 13 273 1,660 81.8
Boomer Esaison:
Passing
Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate
1997 Cincinnati Bengals 7 186 118 63.4 26.6 1,478 7.9 211.1 13 7.0 2 1.1 77T 15 5 7 43 106.9
1996 Arizona Cardinals 10 339 190 56.0 33.9 2,293 6.8 229.3 11 3.2 14 4.1 64T 26 3 17 109 70.6
1995 New York Jets 12 389 221 56.8 32.4 2,275 5.8 189.6 16 4.1 15 3.9 43T 26 3 27 198 71.4
1994 New York Jets 15 440 255 58.0 29.3 2,782 6.3 185.5 17 3.9 13 3.0 69 31 3 19 134 77.3
1993 New York Jets 16 473 288 60.9 29.6 3,421 7.2 213.8 16 3.4 11 2.3 77 37 10 18 139 84.5
1992 Cincinnati Bengals 12 278 144 51.8 23.2 1,407 5.1 117.2 11 4.0 15 5.4 38 15 0 19 150 57.0
1991 Cincinnati Bengals 14 413 233 56.4 29.5 2,883 7.0 205.9 13 3.1 16 3.9 53 38 9 25 190 72.5
1990 Cincinnati Bengals 16 402 224 55.7 25.1 3,031 7.5 189.4 24 6.0 22 5.5 53 0 0 31 198 77.0
1989 Cincinnati Bengals 16 455 258 56.7 28.4 3,525 7.7 220.3 28 6.2 11 2.4 74T 0 0 36 288 92.1
1988 Cincinnati Bengals 16 388 223 57.5 24.2 3,572 9.2 223.2 28 7.2 14 3.6 86T 0 0 30 245 97.4
1987 Cincinnati Bengals 12 440 240 54.5 36.7 3,321 7.5 276.8 16 3.6 19 4.3 61T 0 0 26 209 73.1
1986 Cincinnati Bengals 16 469 273 58.2 29.3 3,959 8.4 247.4 24 5.1 17 3.6 57 0 0 26 194 87.7
1985 Cincinnati Bengals 15 431 251 58.2 28.7 3,443 8.0 229.5 27 6.3 12 2.8 68T 0 0 32 289 93.2
1984 Cincinnati Bengals 10 102 51 50.0 10.2 530 5.2 53.0 3 2.9 3 2.9 36 0 0 5 52 62.9
TOTAL 187 5,205 2,969 57.0 27.8 37,920 7.3 202.8 247 4.7 184 3.5 86 188 33 318 2,438 81.1