Alot of talk on ESPN lately is how this game will effect the legacy of Peyton Manning?
I think that this will hurt his Legacy quite a bit. If he would have won, he could have been considered the greatest of all time. But with a loss in the superbowl and brining his overall playoff record to 9-9 that is only average at best. He is great in the regular season, but at times doesn't look good under pressure. Alot of qb's can win one superbowl, but only a few elite can win multiple times. He still has time to change this, but as of right now I still think he is behind Big Ben( and I'm a bengals fan ) , and Tom Brady (I'm also an Ohio State fan ). So what is everyone else's thoughts on the legacy of Peyton Manning now?
Peyton Manning is the best QB to ever play the game imo. He has carried his team for years with an average, at best, supporting cast. He has only had 1 great receiver in all off his years(Harrison) & has almost always had a average to below average defense.
How does this hurt his legacy?? Marino made 1 Super Bowl and lost and he is one of the top 5 QB's of all time. This game didn't hurt Mannings Legacy. He is one of the best QB's in the history of the game!!!
How does losing a superbowl and throwing the game deciding pick not hurt a players legacy?? I'm not saying he's not going in the hall of fame, he's still a first ballot hall of famer. I'm just saying I don't think any one can put him in the catagory as greatest of all time anymore. Marino is a great player, but its hard to say he's a top 5 qb with all the great qb's that have come through the nfl. He has all the numbers, but so does Manning and Favre, and each of them has a ring. I would put Marino behind both of them. I would say he's in the top ten though.
Greatest stats of all time but not winning championships which is what every team/player should work toward. Just as many people have talked about Farve being so good but he has won one Super Bowl also. The same amount as the great QB's Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
farmer wrote:Greatest stats of all time but not winning championships which is what every team/player should work toward. Just as many people have talked about Farve being so good but he has won one Super Bowl also. The same amount as the great QB's Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
Brett Favre, like Manning & Marino have not been on good teams. It can't be blamed on them. Not one team with one great player in any sport, has won a championship. Kobe Bryant could not win a championship with out good players, same with Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning.
Like Jim Rowe said todya on his show, if Manning would have won this game he still wouldn't have been one of the greatest of all time and now with him losing all of a sudden he's a choke artist. Come on guys if going into the game the guy is say a top 8 QB then coming out of the game hes still a top 8 QB. Even if he did win yesterdays game I still dont see him beeing a top 5 QB......Here's what I think the top 5 is
1 Joe Montana 2 Terry Bradshaw 3 Troy Akimen 4 Steve Young 5 Tom Brady
Seems like the Greatest of All Time is more of a list of the Greatest during the Super Bowl Era. The game has changed a lot even during the Super Bowl Era for the QB's. Manning puts up great stats much like the college QB's who put up stats while playing on very good teams and system. Manning can make all the throws and is very accurrate but he does come up short in some of the big games.
Just a Fan that is a good list of QB's that have won big games throughout their career. Also a good list if you had to pick a QB to win the Big game.
Philo - Manning has played on some of the best teams in the NFL. Many times going into the playoffs they were the team to beat or at least in the top 4. The Great QB's do not lose a lot of games they are favored during the playoffs. Which the Colts have done. The Colts as an organization made the decision that the regular season is not important it is the playoffs and Super Bowl which they came up short on.
Just_A_Fan wrote:Like Jim Rowe said todya on his show, if Manning would have won this game he still wouldn't have been one of the greatest of all time and now with him losing all of a sudden he's a choke artist. Come on guys if going into the game the guy is say a top 8 QB then coming out of the game hes still a top 8 QB. Even if he did win yesterdays game I still dont see him beeing a top 5 QB......Here's what I think the top 5 is
1 Joe Montana 2 Terry Bradshaw 3 Troy Akimen 4 Steve Young 5 Tom Brady
You probably could switch Young and Brady.
Brady is awsome but top 5? Aikman is way way over rated!!! Bradshaw was good but not top 5!
Manning will be considered top 5 when he is done. He has more control over the O than any other QB in the league. Bradshaw called his own plays but most of them were handoffs!!
Peyton's teams are the best in the NFL because he carries them to that level and that alone seperates him from the rest of the league now and probably in the past. He has played with mediocre talent surrounding him primarily. Even with Edge, the line was not great and the d sucked. This year they go w/o Harrison leaving Wayne who is very good but lose the #2 in Gonzo for the year only to see Collie and Garcon step up and look like Hall Players. Clark is a very smart player and a great complement to PM. Aikman, Brady, Bradshaw, Montana, and Young have never had to carry the team like Manning is asked to. All played on teams with great defenses and very good if not great running games. Certainly the same could be said for Big Ben, heck he has never had to win the game, just manage and not lose it. Even last year the "d" carried the team and in the end Ben had one drive and one pass thrown up for grabs only to have it pulled down with a miracle grab. Marino was great and was asked to carry the team and win the games much like Manning, as stated football is a team game, defense wins championships and one guy, especially a QB cannot win the games alone.
It's simple, take into consideration the accuracy and football knowledge along with the preparation and tell me one QB that you would build a team around other that Manning. In individual sports championships are the measuring stick but that is the lazy way or the uninformed way of analyziing team sports. Better yet the media and ESPN way.
JChipwood wrote:It's simple, take into consideration the accuracy and football knowledge along with the preparation and tell me one QB that you would build a team around other that Manning. In individual sports championships are the measuring stick but that is the lazy way or the uninformed way of analyziing team sports. Better yet the media and ESPN way.
I would take Tom Brady over Manning. He has played with less talent and won more. Look at his recievers in the first 3 superbowls. The top recievers on that team probably wouldn't even be good enough to be 2's on most teams. Givens and Branch vs Wayne and Harrison/(now Collie and Garcon) Really?? Brady finally gets some good recievers and what does he do, he goes on to set the TD record for one season. The Patriots D was great back then, but Indy has Dwight Freeney and Bob Sanders(I know he didn't play much this season). You can't really say that Manning is going out their with a bunch of scrubs. He also hardly ever gets touched thanks to his line. Jeff Saturday is probably a Hall of Famer as well. I'm not saying Manning isnt great, and earlier I put big ben ahead of him, but even if they are even. I am still taking Brady over any other QB in the NFL.
While winning those rings Brady wasn't asked to win the game. He lost the game that required him to carry the team. He had great defense and a more than solid running game carrying the team and allowing him open lanes to find guys. He was however asked to win games this year due to a comparable defense to Indy's, still a better running game, and better recievers and he failed miserably at leading his team to victory. Yes Branch, Givens, Troy Brown were comparable or better than Wayne, Collie, and Garcon trio. Don't fool yourself into thinking that Manning didn't win with both Wayne and Harrison. If you watch the games you will see Peyton make the adjustments that keep him upright moreso than his line making great blocks. I'll give the Saturday thing but overall the line is not that strong or versatile which kills the running game.
As far as defense, again one guy doesn't make a great defense and Freeney is great but the rest are not especially in the passing game, Bob Sanders was hurt and would have made a huge difference in the SB.
If Brady had gotten drafted by another team he would be just another QB, It doesn't matter where Manning would have played he still would have been great.
Brady is a product of the Patriots Offense. The Colts are the product of Mannings skill as a QB and a leader.
O & B I totally agree, excellent post!! This debate will continue with changing variables in comparison to Manning but in the end Manning will always remain the constant in the discussion.
) , and Tom Brady (I'm also an Ohio State fan 
