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Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:01 am
by ace63
The career quarterback ratings of some of well known Hall of Fame quarterbacks for the people's consideration.....



John Elway: 79.9

Dan Fouts: 80.6

Dan Marino: 86.4

Terry Bradshaw: 70.9

Fran Tarkenton: 80.4

Bob Griese: 77.1



Carson Palmer: 86.1???....... yea, that's right.




Quarterback rating is efficiency based, era does have some bearing but it's still fairly relative. These guys had good years, they had bad years....Elway for instance put up a 65 rating in his tenth season, 1992, then followed it with a 92 rating in 1993. Elway also cruised along with a QBR in the 70's for many years prior to that.



Bad years happen, a ton of Palmer's interceptions including the first pick six yesterday have not been his fault. The replay clearly showed Terrell Owens tripping as he made his cut which caused the ball to hit Polamalu in the chest instead of TO.



Palmer's having a bad year, but he's going nowhere, nor should he.



This team stinks, Brat's offense has grown increasingly stale, the OLine and/or receivers have been hit or miss since mid 2006 and Palmer's numbers have suffered because of it.



People want it to be simple, they want to demonstrate their fandom with the tried and true and terribly simplistic "The QB's a bum" and call it a day.



Well, most of you armchair QB's are dead wrong. Sorry folks, but that's just what the truth is. The numbers don't lie, facts are facts.



We're not letting Palmer go for a second rounder, we're not cutting him, several teams would love to have him as their starter. Teams like the Bills, Browns, Titans, Vikings, Panthers, Cardinals, Niners and Seahawks would be over the moon if they landed Carson......That's 25% of the league for a guy who is in his 30's and having his worst season.



You know why? Because NFL teams know more than you and they are well aware that Palmer is probably much better than what he appears to be right now. The body of work is there to prove it. The flashes of what he could be, of what he was, are still there even in this, his worst season. He's pushing for 4000 yards and 27 or so TD's in spite of being in the unenviable position of triggering an offense coordinated by a man who was known to be a total hack years ago and is just getting worse and worse as defensive coordinators around the league gain his measure even further.



If Palmer were as bad as many Bengal fans are suggesting, he wouldn't still flash his old form in spite of the offense being entirely handicapped by Bratkowski.



Seriously, if Palmer is just garbage, why should the Bengals get rid of Brat?.....What do we expect him to do with a QB who is, according to some fans, "the worst in the league"?



The logic being submitted Bengal fans all over the great state of Ohio with regard to the Bengals' offense is flawed and nonsensical. If you say, "It's Brat", okay, if you say "It's Carson", okay....But nearly everyone is saying they both gotta go and that don't make sense.



A lot of people, myself included, were worried Brat might screw this up in spite of all the weapons. Did we really think that if he did that it wouldn't reflect badly on Palmer and thusly affect his play?

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Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:52 am
by Tigercannon71
Both have to go along with Marvin. Carson isnt the same Qb he was before the knee injury. You know why he looked good last year because we ran the ball and took pressure off him to perform. Why did he look good last week cause we ran the ball. Besides that QB rating doesnt mean crap. Your stats up there prove it. Those guys got it done when it counted Carson doesnt anymore.

Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:51 pm
by farmer
It is hard to tell. Before making that choice I would want to have a complete physical and Dr tests to determine if there is anything physically wrong with him. The coaches know what plays were called so they should be able to determine how close the WR would run the right play. Palmer is not the QB he use to be but he needs to have the OC calling the right plays and the offense playing together. Palmer is not the strong leader so he may not be the right fit for this team.

Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:05 am
by ace63
I for one think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of palmer next year. Go ahead a draft a qb, but keep palmer.
If T.O. ,chad and that lame O.C are gone. I think you will see a big improvement. No ego's and real bad play calling, I think you will see the palmer of old. He would do real well with another team, I dont want that. They we would say BOY wish we had him back instead of a young or throw back QB going into next year.

Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:22 am
by Charge
That shows quarterback ratings mean nothing, Palmer is no where even close to being in the same league as any of these guys. I wouldn't even but him in the same league as Boomer and Anderson.

Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:00 pm
by OZZIEOHIO
I for one think it would be a huge mistake to get rid of palmer next year. Go ahead a draft a qb, but keep palmer.If T.O. ,chad and that lame O.C are gone. I think you will see a big improvement. No ego's and real bad play calling, I think you will see the palmer of old. He would do real well with another team, I dont want that. They we would say BOY wish we had him back instead of a young or throw back QB going into next year.
I agree, his recievers this year is what caused alot of his interceptions by not running the right routes. Get rid of TO and Ohcho and get shipley some help he will have a good year.

Re: Is Palmer that bad ?????

Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:48 pm
by Tigercannon71
The only way you see Palmer of old is by watching old games films.