Michigan Football

[Raiderball]

How to stop Robinson... follow the pitt/south florida game plan. load the box and match up 1on1 with receivers on the outside. if mich receivers are not able to make plays you will slow down the mich o

[Peake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvTrtdbi ... re=related

Watch the first two TD's for UM. UMass rushed 8 and left their corners on islands, both resulted in td's. Putting 8 in the box and bringing pressure results in wideopen screen game. Watch later when they bring 8 and Denard hits Stonum for about 45 streaking down the sidelines. Daryl Stonum and Roy Roundtree are good enough to start for anyone in the coference, and you might add Martavious Odoms to that group as well. Michigan has playmakers on the outside.

If you think that line of thinking will stop Denard, well it might but then you let guys like Mike Shaw run for 100+ and three scores.

If you want to slow down Denard, because you are not going to completly stop him, you take away his weapons. Shut down Shaw and Smith rushing, and blanket the wideouts, and then Denard has to beat you by himself. Some people are good enough to beat you by themselves though.

Go back and rewatch the PSU v OSU game two years ago. They took away all of TP's weapons and said you beat us yourself. I feel that is probably the better way to do it.

[Orestes]

UConn just gave up 30 to Temple and lost 30-16. ND just kept Crist in the game for a full four quarters and lost to MSU. Umass just hung 37 on Michigan.

Again, I think I'll wait. Though, I tend to wait and see on most teams, but in this case, I've seen this 3-0 show before.

[mab43bac]

This boy will not last like this ,once they meet a good defense with good corners they are done.And i agree Orestes we all have seen this show before.

[Peake]

Im curious to know why you don't think he can throw. Kid is averaging over 200 yards a game and completing 70% of his passes. Why will he not last? He is basically a tailback with a good arm.

The problem is defense. This offense is very good (still need a big time back), but until RR starts recruiting as hard defensively as he does on the other side of the ball, this trend will continue. Another thing that has to happen is getting the kids that want to be here for a long haul. UM has already lost four kids to clearing house issues this fall, one is still waiting to be cleared, and another was kicked off the team. UM signed 27 this spring and they are already down to 21. Throw in Vlad Emilien and Anthoney Lalotta have both transfered, and depth becomes a huge issue. If you go back and look at RR at WVU, he averaged singing 27 kids a year, which meant he needed 3 to leave out of the class a year. At Michigan he was already low on scholly players, so he needs kids to stay and stop leaving or being inelligable. The kids leaving have all been defensive kids except 1.

[Orestes]

Im curious to know why you don't think he can throw. Kid is averaging over 200 yards a game and completing 70% of his passes. Why will he not last? He is basically a tailback with a good arm.

The problem is defense. This offense is very good (still need a big time back), but until RR starts recruiting as hard defensively as he does on the other side of the ball, this trend will continue. Another thing that has to happen is getting the kids that want to be here for a long haul. UM has already lost four kids to clearing house issues this fall, one is still waiting to be cleared, and another was kicked off the team. UM signed 27 this spring and they are already down to 21. Throw in Vlad Emilien and Anthoney Lalotta have both transfered, and depth becomes a huge issue. If you go back and look at RR at WVU, he averaged singing 27 kids a year, which meant he needed 3 to leave out of the class a year. At Michigan he was already low on scholly players, so he needs kids to stay and stop leaving or being inelligable. The kids leaving have all been defensive kids except 1.

No one can predict the future, but I would say Denard is small and 25 carries per game will get him injured. Often, RBs have to miss games due to injury. The toll of that many carries is brutal. It's basically luck to get through an entire season at such a pace.

Though, obviously, it only takes once. Pryor could go down on one of 10 carries in a game. Though, Robinson is smaller and his number of hits are much higher. Not only does Pryor carry it much less, when he does, he is often in a situation to glide out of bounds. Robinson is asked to run it into the teeth of the D.

Either way, both offenses may struggle if the QB is lost. OSU is simply in a much better position to "manage" a game and play good to great D against good teams.

[Peake]

I agree the number of carries for Robinson have to go down, but the kid is not tiny. He is around 195-200. I worry much more about him making an awkward cut and hurting his knee then I am taking a hit.

Another thing about him getting hit is how fast he is. How often does Robinson actually get hit by a LB or DL? Rare. He is getting hit by safeties and corners. I feel much better about guys 180-200 hitting him rather then LB or DL. Denard gets to the second level in a hurry and that is the good part of taking hits, not taking shots from the big boys.

I am still curious about him throwing it (not directed at Orestes).

[Raiderball]

Michigan roster on rivals has Robinson listed at 188.

If the question about him not being able to throw is aimed at me, I never said he couldn't throw. Just saying that UM receivers better be able to get open or that's what teams will begin to do. From what I've seen I'd force Robinson to beat me with his arm. Not going to let him do it with his legs.

[Peake]

After the UConn game the reporter asked him how he can take that beating he said Coach Barwis has be up to 195, so, it's whatev.

I wasn't directing it towards anyone inparticular, but I think you should watch the UMass game and watch how quickly the game turned around when he started throwing to wideouts 1-on-1 with the corners. He actually threw a 4th but it got called back. He threw a 70 yarder to Roundtree for a TD but an OL was downfield.

Just saying, 70% completion % at this point, we will see how other teams play him.

[Raiderball]

I don't watch Michigan games but.... how many of those 70% were bubble screens? Pat White completed over 65% of his passes also.
If I am a DC Robinson... and Pryor are going to beat me throwing the football.

[Orestes]

I don't watch Michigan games but.... how many of those 70% were bubble screens? Pat White completed over 65% of his passes also.
If I am a DC Robinson... and Pryor are going to beat me throwing the football.

Yep, and Miami agreed. They were crowding 8 and 9 into the box and firing run blitzes at a high frequency.

[Peake]

So you don't watch the games, yet you have an opinion that matters? Your opinion and credibility have just disappeared.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rogo8bKeJA4

Watch for yourself

1st pass- post route, tipped int
2nd pass- fly route, 78 yard td pass (roundtree), called back
3rd pass- over threw wr on out route
4th pass- deep slant complete for 19
5th pass- post corner complete for 46
6th pass- complete in the flat for 6 yards
7th pass- complete in the flat for 7
8th pass- complete on the wheel for 9
9th pass- incimplete on comeback in endzone, roundtree drop
10th pass- bubble screen complete for 68 TD (stonum)
11th pass- deep post complete for 33
12th pass- complete on out for 6
13th pass- slant incomplete
14th pass- complete on 12 yard stop route touchdown (stonum)
15th pass- complete on streak route for 54


There you go, one screen the entire game.

[mister b]

The UM vs UMass game had to be disappointing from 3 different view points...

1. Still having to depend too much on Denard to carry the load. Granted, UMass is a good program and some other players did step up for UM at times, but, will he be able to handle the constant pounding week after week? I am sure RR had hopes of reducing his # of carries and spread the ball more than what they did.

2. RR needs to start recruiting defensive players as much as he does offensive. (Still a carryover from his WVU days)

3. Some UM fans had to have had flashbacks to the Appy State game during certain key moments vs UMass.

Still, UM will go into the MSU game undeafeated. From a casual fan, I am looking forward to this game.

[Peake]

1. They had a wr go over 100 and a rb go over 100 and run for 3 td's, I thought they did a great job of distributing the ball. The real problem is the defense not being able to stop someone. UMass dominated TOP, and that is the best defense is keeping the UM offense off the field. Michigan had a td called back and missed a chip shot fg, that is another 10 pts that should have been on the board. Not to mention that UM started subing up 35-17 and UMass kept their first string in.

2. I agree 100000000%. This last class he did very well, but it doesn't matter at the moment because a good majority of those kids need to get bigger and stronger. Imo he needs to bring in the game changers he brings in on offense to the defensive side. He needs to bring in 2 or 3 guys who can play right away and make a difference and then another 5-8 who love Michigan and want to be here for their entire career. OSU recruits this way, they get kids near the bottom of their class that might not bea able to contribute until year 3 or 4, but they want to be buckeyes. UM needs to get kids who want to stay at UM their entire careers.

3. Not so much. Michigan trailed for most of that ball game. In this one UM went up 35-17, then 42-24. When it got to 42-30, UM was punting and if they don't bobble it they probably run out the clock.

[mab43bac]

Like i said we all seen this act before .

[Peake]

Except this offense is good enough to just outscore people. This offense is very different then last season.

[Raiderball]

So you don't watch the games, yet you have an opinion that matters? Your opinion and credibility have just disappeared.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rogo8bKeJA4

Watch for yourself

1st pass- post route, tipped int
2nd pass- fly route, 78 yard td pass (roundtree), called back
3rd pass- over threw wr on out route
4th pass- deep slant complete for 19
5th pass- post corner complete for 46
6th pass- complete in the flat for 6 yards
7th pass- complete in the flat for 7
8th pass- complete on the wheel for 9
9th pass- incimplete on comeback in endzone, roundtree drop
10th pass- bubble screen complete for 68 TD (stonum)
11th pass- deep post complete for 33
12th pass- complete on out for 6
13th pass- slant incomplete
14th pass- complete on 12 yard stop route touchdown (stonum)
15th pass- complete on streak route for 54


There you go, one screen the entire game.

Jesus Criminy Peake. Do you always have to be such an ass? I said I hadnt watched their games. I was ASKING how many of those passes were bubble screens. I have seen RR's offense a time or two when he was at WVU. He threw MANY bubble screens, get the slots/backs in space and allow them to create. That is why I was asking. Asking a ******* question. I just went back to check and be sure.... YES, there was a question mark.

[Raiderball]

Don't even talk to me about credibility. YOU, were caught in a lie on here just 2-3 yrs ago. Posted about going to UM @ Vandy game and then a few days later you posted you were in Morgantown at Marshall/WVU game............ on the same day!!!! There is your ******* crediblity!!!

[seofan_via_dublin]

Great job using spelling to get past the board censor, maybe the mods should give you a break from here, that way you can go back to coaching badly.

[Peake]

YOu asked a question and I gave you an answer. He threw a single bubble screen the entire game. If you don't watch the MIchigan games, how in the world can you have an opinion on them. This is not WVU, so it doesn't matter how many games you have seen them play. Like I said, your opinion is dead if you at the very least don't watch the games.

Listen you can curse all you want and look real cool, but you are not good at adding your opinion. You throw around your opinion without actually adding something constructive. Just like on the Marshall thread when fatboy said something you come in and say excactly what I was going to say. No it wasn't, you don't add anything constructive. Agreeing to disagree is fine, but you need to learn how to write on this board to back up an opinion you have. You can now go curse me and make yourself look real intelligent and cool again, or you can figure out how to write on this board without looking like a kid.