The state of WVU Football

[Raiderball]

[seofan_via_dublin]

I believe if given the chance Luck will do whatever it takes to return WVU to the top tier of college football. .

You probably saw this one coming, but you threw that softball so nicely I can't let it go.

For them to "return", they would have had to have been at the top tier at one point before.

[Raiderball]

I believe if given the chance Luck will do whatever it takes to return WVU to the top tier of college football. .

You probably saw this one coming, but you threw that softball so nicely I can't let it go.

For them to "return", they would have had to have been at the top tier at one point before.

.... and you can actually say that WVU was not a top tier team during the past 6yrs?
Top 10 rankings, 2 BCS bowl wins, and blowing a shot at playing form nc???
From 2002 through 2009 season WVU record is 76-26. I would think that puts them in top 15 in wins over that time. I would consider top 15 to be at the top of college football.

[Charge]

WVU
2009-4 L
2008-4 L
2007-2 L
2006-2 L
2005-1 L
2004-4 L
2003-5 L
2002-4 L

I see why you dog Ohio State this season with only 1 Loss now.

[Raiderball]

WVU
2009-4 L
2008-4 L
2007-2 L
2006-2 L
2005-1 L
2004-4 L
2003-5 L
2002-4 L

I see why you dog Ohio State this season with only 1 Loss now.

Yeah, that is 26 losses... like I stated in earlier post, but thanks for taking the time to look it up.

Over that time span who has better record?
USC
Texas
Oklahoma
Nebraska??? I don't think so
Florida
LSU
Auburn??? don't think so
Ohio St
Boise
Utah???
TCU???

Am I leaving anyone out?

How many losses does OSU have over that same time span? 15-18?

[seofan_via_dublin]

WVU's number of wins during that span puts them at #11 during that time frame.

Their piers at that level are Virginia Tech, TCU, Boston College, Auburn, and Wisconsin.

I would consider none of those teams at the TOP tier, very solid second level teams, but not top tier.
Therefore, I can't put WVU in the top tier.

You constantly accuse buckeye fans of having scarlet blinders on, I think it's time you took your blue ones off!

[mister b]

WVU has been at the top of the second level teams in recent years. BCS bowl wins in 2006 vs SEC champion Georgia and 2008 vs Big 12 champion Oklahoma solidify this claim.

Sadly, since then it has been a slow downward spiral with one of the nicest guys to ever coach a football team.

This reminds me of when I played jr high football and we had 2 very tough coaches to play for. All of the team wished we had our very nice social studies teacher for a coach and practices would be much better and our lives much easier. Well, to be a good football coach you have to know the game, be able to teach it and impart some fear into your players lives to be successful at most schools. WVU is not one of the schools that kids dream about or are lining up to play at like they do at other schools that have already sold the program through the years.

If AD Luck does ask for Stewart's resignation, I am sure he will as there is at least 1 more loss coming our way, I hope that we get some one who shares RR's offensive mindset as I feel that will work well within the Big East and gives us a leg up during the bowl season. I for one do not want to go back to the days of playing some of the schools we played under Nehlin. I have enjoyed playing home and home series with some SEC schools and I would like for us to do the same with Big 12 and Big 10 schools.

[eccedomusscientiae]

The Rich Rod debacle had a lot to do with poor leadership from the administration. They hired Stewart after a knee jerk reaction following a big win. A monkey could have coached that game and WVU would have played with just as much emotion.

I disagree that the next hire will come from inside. Next WVU Head Coach will be.....Al Golden imo

Golden would be a great hire. I agree about Stewarts hiring. He is a great guy, but Stewart is not D1 coaching material. WVU rushed their decision.ike UM rushed the decision on RR.

[eccedomusscientiae]

I believe if given the chance Luck will do whatever it takes to return WVU to the top tier of college football. .

You probably saw this one coming, but you threw that softball so nicely I can't let it go.

For them to "return", they would have had to have been at the top tier at one point before.

I have to agree with you Dublin. Peake is right about the Stewart hiring. It was knee jerk. Very similar to ichigan's hiring of Rodriguez. Playing Louisville or Cincinnati on thursday night is not anyones idea of a big game. Please someone list for me RR signature wins at WVU or anywhere prior to being hired at Michigan. Georgia in the Sugar Bowl? Thats it. So, one of the best programs in the history of college football is going to hire Rodriguez because he beat Georgia in the Sugar Bowl? Come on.
WVU is a top tiered "Big East" team. What does that mean? To me it means you are a 15-30th ranked program in the country in most years....thats not top tiered

[The General]

WVU,The Panthers,Cincy,Rutgers.....have all been top tier teams at some point in the last 7-10 years...no matter your perceptions....If WVU were to go after somebody,and this would be only from an offensive perspective,he would have to be Gus Malzahn from the University of Auburn. Cam has a younger brother...

[91blue14]

looks like the big east is looking to expand. i dont know if tcu fits geographically but the word is out.

[Peake]

One thing I have learned about the Big East. If they are given a month to prepare and get ready for someone, they can play with just about anyone, but if WVU, UC, etc were playing the weekly grind of another conference, they would be lucky to be in the top 25. I don't buy anything the Big East is selling. They jumped out on Georgia in the Sugar bowl and then held on for dear life, then caught an arrogant Oklahoma team off guard (which was a very finness Oklahoma team and not a smash mouth Oklahoma). I don't buy the Big East no no no.

[mister b]

Like it or not, WVU did beat Georgia and Oklahoma, both champions of their respective conferences and...

The folks at Michigan took the bait and bought the Big East brand. So did Notre Dame.

[Peake]

and now both are paying for it. Dearly.

Again, yes the Big East given a month can play with just about anyone, but I don't buy then on a week to week basis against the likes of the Big 10, SEC, etc.

[Raiderball]

I've been away for a few days and trying to catch up.

120 teams in DI, FBS or whatever, IMO, top 15 would be in the top tier.
Just my opinion though.

Say what you want about WVU jumping out on Georgia and then hanging on... college football game lasts 60 minutes. Every one of those minutes count. Have to be ready to play from the opening kick until the final tick of the clock.
As for the arrogant Oklahoma team... WVU came out and punched them right in the mouth.

General, I would also add Louisville with your teams over the past 7-10 years. BCS win in I think 2006. Top ten rankings around that time also. During the Petrino years.

Having a month to prepare vs playing the week to week schedule of B10/SEC is your opinion and I respect that but I think it would have been interesting to see how UC, WVU, Pitt, Louisville would have fared in the B10 over this time. Maybe throw Louisville out post Petrino.

[The General]

Raiderball....You are correct...hard to believe I forgot Louisvilles success and ability to play...But when you are dealing with the perceptions of people who compare the value of the vaunted Big Ten against the quality of teams in the Big East in the last6-8 years,you have a tendency to be forgetfull....but maybe you can understand my delimma...Along with the fact that T.Pryor didnt go to Pitt.or even PSU OR Michigan .He went to THE Ohio State University to get mentored by Doc Tressel,Bollman, and the Senator Vest..all to get him ready for the next level......My God....what a great decision ...and BTW....ANY squad in the Big East and any team in America would have a hard time keeping their head above water annually in the SEC...It is that tough...imo

[Raiderball]

Raiderball....You are correct...hard to believe I forgot Louisvilles success and ability to play...But when you are dealing with the perceptions of people who compare the value of the vaunted Big Ten against the quality of teams in the Big East in the last6-8 years,you have a tendency to be forgetfull....but maybe you can understand my delimma...Along with the fact that T.Pryor didnt go to Pitt.or even PSU OR Michigan .He went to THE Ohio State University to get mentored by Doc Tressel,Bollman, and the Senator Vest..all to get him ready for the next level......My God....what a great decision ...and BTW....ANY squad in the Big East and any team in America would have a hard time keeping their head above water annually in the SEC...It is that tough...imo

Wonder what Pryor is thinking about the coaching he is getting and his prospects of making it as and NFL quarterback now.

[Raiderball]

WVU has been at the top of the second level teams in recent years. BCS bowl wins in 2006 vs SEC champion Georgia and 2008 vs Big 12 champion Oklahoma solidify this claim.

Sadly, since then it has been a slow downward spiral with one of the nicest guys to ever coach a football team.

This reminds me of when I played jr high football and we had 2 very tough coaches to play for. All of the team wished we had our very nice social studies teacher for a coach and practices would be much better and our lives much easier. Well, to be a good football coach you have to know the game, be able to teach it and impart some fear into your players lives to be successful at most schools. WVU is not one of the schools that kids dream about or are lining up to play at like they do at other schools that have already sold the program through the years.

If AD Luck does ask for Stewart's resignation, I am sure he will as there is at least 1 more loss coming our way, I hope that we get some one who shares RR's offensive mindset as I feel that will work well within the Big East and gives us a leg up during the bowl season. I for one do not want to go back to the days of playing some of the schools we played under Nehlin. I have enjoyed playing home and home series with some SEC schools and I would like for us to do the same with Big 12 and Big 10 schools.

I have to disagree with you on this comment. I know we played our share of MAC opponents but we also played annual games with Pitt, PSU, BC, Syracuse, BC and VT. Add to that non conference (I know Big East started play in early 90's I know) games with Oklahoma, California, Wisconsin, Ohio St, Nebraska, Notre Dame. Missouri and Purdue(I think).

[The General]

Of course he doesnt presently play in a system where there are reads,progessions..and all the technical developments that happen to let a QB know what is happening and where to go with the ball...He doesnt play in a place where he has had to make a lot of different throws to be successful....He is a long strider and a short-armer to make it simple with footwork issues in the pocket..He is a great athlete and actually looks pretty good when he shoots it down the field on digs,posts,and go routes.Anything else is a struggle. Intangibles?...I do not know...Fast for his size..thats for sure..I have always felt that he is pretty tough physically....not Newton tough...but tough enough.

[Charge]

Wonder what Pryor is thinking about the coaching he is getting and his prospects of making it as and NFL quarterback now.




I am sure he is glad to be at Ohio State, Rich Rod isn't going to produce any pro QBs, look at Pat White played one season and about got killed, look at Robinson he can't even make it through a full game without getting hurt.