Notre Dame loses star Wide Receiver Michael Floyd

[2trap_4ever]

As a Notre Dame fan I would like to see him play, but if this is an going to be on ongoing issue then we have to let him go.

The only double standard here is coming from the people who root for teams that have done things wrong and they do everything to cover it up(OSU). Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

[Pol pot]

Dunlap at Florida suspended for SEC Title game for 1st offense.

Coaches are fired for DUI's.

Frank Solich did not get fired for a DUI

[Peake]

ok well majority

[seofan_via_dublin]

Dunlap at Florida suspended for SEC Title game for 1st offense.

Coaches are fired for DUI's.

Frank Solich did not get fired for a DUI

Solich got his at OU, that's not a crime, it's a right of passage!

[seofan_via_dublin]

As a Notre Dame fan I would like to see him play, but if this is an going to be on ongoing issue then we have to let him go.

The only double standard here is coming from the people who root for teams that have done things wrong and they do everything to cover it up(OSU). Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Petty!

This has nothing to do with OSU.

ND has made a lifetime of telling everyone that they have higher standards. If they make exceptions, and can't live up to them, that's their problem not OSU's. In this case, you've got a guy who has 3 police issues involving alcohol. If a student at your school had 1, they would face very serious consequences. Maybe ND will follow though, 2 occurrences too late, but maybe! The 2 games is speculation.

But don't lower yourself to bringing OSU into the discussion, just own what your school has given you. OSU fans have, and we are ready to face whatever the NCAA hands down.

Just because the smoke is white, doesn't mean you can blow it up our butts!

[Peake]

When people can't own up they instantly deflect from their issues and start on someone else.

[therepublican]

I think we should wait and see what the outcome is before we start bashing Floyd and the program (Peake).

As for OSU, yeah I have no idea why some people bring in other schools into the discussion...keep OSU and whomever out of this..every school has their own issues, lets not compare.

As for Floyd..look the kid is immature, obviously. Should he be suspended..yep. For how long? I guess that is decided by the ND board. Was he convicted, not yet..his hearing isn't until May. So for those who are already bashing ND for double standards and saying "ND is supposed to hold up to higher standards" is dumb. Any shot you get to take a hit you will do, I understand this.

I suggest: We keep all other universities out of this discussion to keep it clean and about Floyd. Second, we wait to see what the real outcome is before we assume anything and the "Standards" of ND...fact is none of us could ever get admitted to ND on here..so don't be jealous. The kid hasn't been convicted yet, although there is enough evidence to tell he wasn't doing what he should have been. He didn't stab or kill anyone. He has a drinking problem. He already lost his Captain status, will be suspended for a few games for sure...if not the year. The media has smeared it plenty. Is that enough or not? I dunno.

[seofan_via_dublin]

If Randy Moss could have gotten in, I imagine some of us could!

But I do agree with pretty much your entire last statement.

[Peake]

Please lets not make Notre Dame into Yale. They are a very good education but lets not act like they are among the elite academically.

BTW, I feel I would have had a pretty good shot at getting into ND under grad (26 ACT, 3.5 GPA, Catholic, from Appalachia). The average is 3.68 GPA and 28 ACT. No way in he!! I would have gotten into professional school there.

People who drive drunk once, and yes could kill someone (do I need to take you back to old school DARE days?), should be punished. Someone who does it twice should be severally punished. Someone who does it a 3rd time should probably not have a license and go to jail. Goes to show me they have no regard for human life by driving intoxicated, and shows me you refuse to be responsible for YOUR OWN actions.

BTW, there is always this stigma attached to Randy Moss being a dummy, but did you know he was around a 24-25 ACT and an honor roll student in hs?

Everything else I agree with.

[The Flying Dutchman]

3.5 and 26 might have got you in 10 or 15 years ago but not now unless you are an athlete(not that I agree with that) We just got a young man here at St. Joe accepted but he has a 4.00 and a 33 ACT. 4 years ago we had another young man who had a 4.00 and a 31 ACT that did not get in, he went the Rudy route going to Holy Cross 1 year then got accepted.
As for Floyd, I think his other brushes with the law was for underage drinking and not DUI's but I could be wrong.In the past players were dismissed for one DUI but that does not mean that was right. Like I have said before I still think Floyd misses the entire season but I guess you never know.

[Peake]

Oh give me a break. Notre Dame is barely a top tier in most professional schools. They are not elite (Top 14) in any professional school and only the law school was ranked in the top 25 (23rd). My sister in law graduated from Michigan, she got into UM with a 3.7ish and 28 ACT from Orchard Lake St. Mary's High School. If she got into UM I am dam sure someone could get into Notre Dame. You story is not very believable, and if he truly didn't get in then that speaks to the strength of your curriculum at St. Joe.

I believe there are more then a few that could make it into ND.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Michigan is a State school, ND is private and only accepts 2500-3000 Freshman out of 20000 applicants so you had better believe 26ACT and 3.5 GPA will not get in very often. As far as the young man who did not get at first, he will graduate in May with honors(from Notre Dame). This year ISJ has 4 out of 16 or 17 Seniors score 30 or better so they must be doing something right

[Peake]

Notre Dame is not an elite academic school, you have fun trying to act like they are. As I previously stated a 3.68 and 28 act are the average to get into Notre Dame, so I don't know what happened to your boy. Also, that means that there must have been people with lower GPA and acts then the average that got in. Would i have gotten in, who knows, but telling people they wouldn't get in applying that Notre Dame is equivalent to Yale is humorous.

Only thing it says is if they can't get into Notre Dame with a 30 ACT and 4.0 then someone doesn't really respect your curriculum.

I can't believe I am still talking about Notre Dame like they are freaking Yale.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Peake, I forgot that you know it all but if you read my posts I never compared ND to Yale or any other Ivy league school. I do not know why the young man did not get accepted the first time but did after a year at Holy Cross and as I stated he will graduate with honors from ND in May. I also do not need to defend ND or ISJ to you because they are both great schools and you simply have an axe to grind as usual.

[Peake]

I have no ax to grind. I just find it amusing that we are talking about ND academics in the sense that none of us worthless uneducated simple people could ever have a chance to go there.

fact is none of us could ever get admitted to ND on here..so don't be jealous.

I know of a graduate from Michigan, Ohio State, Duke, and Vandy that post on this boards that would probably disagree with this.

3.5 and 26 might have got you in 10 or 15 years ago but not now unless you are an athlete(not that I agree with that)

Again I disagree with this. Jonus Gray, RB for ND, went to Country Day, was high on Michigan before he committed to ND, one of the big set backs for his was his ACT score was around 18-19 and was going ot have a hard time getting into UM. I am willing to bet any amount of Money that it doesn't take a 26 to get into ND as an athlete.

Again, your average is 28, meaning there has to be people with lower ACT scores getting in.

4 years ago we had another young man who had a 4.00 and a 31 ACT that did not get in

This says something about either the school or the young man. A 4.0 and 31 ACT will get you into just about any top ten school in the country.If the average is well below both and he did not get in, then something is going on.

I live in the real world, don't know what world you are living in, but ND is not elite like some are making it out to be.

[therepublican]

PEAKE: To get your facts straight, Floyd has never had three DUI's. He had an underage drinking citation twice..never from driving. He should be punished..never argued with that.

People who drive drunk once, and yes could kill someone (do I need to take you back to old school DARE days?), should be punished. Someone who does it twice should be severally punished. Someone who does it a 3rd time should probably not have a license and go to jail. Goes to show me they have no regard for human life by driving intoxicated, and shows me you refuse to be responsible for YOUR OWN actions

After reading your posts, it is obvious your despise for ND and jealousy is overwhelming. I have no interest in comparing ND to other schools, Yale..Harvord..whomever, and your point that ND is not a top tier school has no substance. ND is ND. Difficult to get accepted, and difficult to afford for the average person (atleast anyone with half a clue would admit that). I prefer you just go to another board and splatter your useless words to someone else. No one cares if you could have been accepted to ND, your GPA, or ACT score..NO one cares...I am appauld that you would make the point that YOU could have attended ND. And why does anyone give a donkey nut about Randy Moss?

[The Flying Dutchman]

Peake, Just to get a few things straight. It wasn't me who said anything about noone on here getting accepted. I am also very aware that an athlete does not need a 26ACT to get in ND, what I meant was with a 3.5 and 26ACT you would not be accepted unless you were an athlete in most cases. I also know there are people at every school in the country that could be accepted at ND.As far as the young man I have mentioned, ND obviously made a mistake the first time by not admitting him since he has since flourished at ND and will graduate on time this May with honors. I am sure you will somehow turn all this around again but at least I tried to explain.

[Peake]

I am sorry my facts weren't straight. Three drinking related charges equal he's an idiot.

I am jealous of Notre Dame. Sure I am. I think my ability to weed out the bs others are trying to assert by claiming Notre Dame is an elite academic institution is what bothers you. Notre Dame rest on their laurels academically and in football. I wish Notre Dame were better in football for one. The college football world is better off when Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, etc are all good.

As far as academics go I will break this down for you.

Undergrad
Biz-Not top 10
Eng-Not top 10
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandrevie ... all/page+2

Law-23rd tier 1 (not elite), and to clear the record Michigan, Cal, Illinois, Texas, UCLA, Vandy, GW, and Minny are all ranked above you. All are public schools exclude Vandy.
Biz-37th tier 1 (not elite), Ohio State, Michigan, North Carolina, Arizona State, Wisconsin all ranked above you. All public schools.
Education- Not in top 100 tier 2
Med-Not ranked tier 2
Engineering-52nd tier 1 (not elite)
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... te-schools

You see I am not jealous, I am realistic and I understand the professional world well. I understand the perception of the programs and degrees, and Notre Dame is not what most Notre Dame fans want to perceive it as. You used to be prestigious and you used to be great in football, but you are not anymore. Sure Notre Dame is a very good degree to have, but telling people on this board they could "NEVER" get into Notre Dame because it is such a prestigious school is bs.

You want to compare, well almost every school in the Big Ten is more prestigious academically then Notre Dame. Pretty simple. You are a private school so you think that makes you special? So are schools like Capital University, doesn't mean they are better schools then public.

Big Ten Academically
1a. Michigan
1b. Northwestern
3. Illinois
4. Ohio State
5. Wisconsin
6. Indiana
then probably Notre Dame. How elite do you fell now? You may be the 2nd most prestigious school in your state. Congrats.

I understand elite academic standards. My wife is graduating from a top 10 law school. I observed the process of narrowing down where she wanted to go. Notre Dame was never in the picture of an after thought. I observed the perception of how top law firms viewed certain Universities.

I am not leaving this board because you think what I am saying is not accurate. I believe what you said was wrong, presented a strong case, and the only thing you can come back with is I need to go away because I don't know what I am talking about. Ok. Great debate methods.

You said NO ONE on this board could get into ND. I merely made the case that it is not out of the realm of possibility that I could have. I am sure I am nowhere close to the top student on this board. In fact I know for a fact there are several who had better credentials then me, and went to better schools then Notre Dame. Don't get mad because you made a broad statement that has been argued.

Randy Moss was going to ND. Could be why. Maybe because SEO is close to Huntington and we have a lot of Marshall fans? Don't see why you are having a fit over it.

[Peake]

dutchmen, fair enough. No argument here

[Peake]

One more thing on being jealous.

Why would I be jealous of Notre Dame? I am a Michigan fan. I cheer for a better academic school and a football team that despite our past three seasons has beaten you two years straight, and has blown you out several times in the past 7 years. We taught you how to play and have been better then you on a regular basis for two decades.

I am jealous of Ohio State at this point. They have been beating us on the regular and in games they shouldn't have they still were. I am jealous of them at this point.