Brady Hoke to be named as head coach at Michigan

[Orestes]

It isn't just that Tressel won a NC at YSU. He won four and made it to six. So, in fifteen years at YSU, he coached in six national championships. Now, in 25 years as a head coach, he has coached in nine national championship games. Thus, in thirty-six percent of his seasons, his teams have made the national championship game. Before OSU, he had played for the NC in forty percent of his seasons as a head coach.

Brady Hoke has a winning record in thirty eight percent of his seasons.

He may be fine, but an on-the-field comparison isn't very accurate.

[Raiderball]

Hoke is building a decent staff, I like his pick for D coordinator.
Mattison was with Michigan when they were building the defense that won them the 97 title, and he was the Florida D coordinator from 2005-2007.

If they can get back to getting great recruits, instead of high MAC level guys, then we just might get a good Michigan team again.

According to Rivals from 2007-2010 Michigan recruiting classes ranked 12, 10, 8 and 20. I wouldn't consider any of those MAC level.
During that same time OSU ranks 15, 4, 3 and 25.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Look at the talent overall on that team, its high MAC/ Big East level stuff.

I'm sure you'd like it, but then again, consider the source!

[seofan_via_dublin]

Compare who was offering the kids that RR signed, and what schools were their other options.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Michigan signed 27 guys in 2010, 21 of which were 3 stars or lower.

Quantity ruled over quality.

[Raiderball]

^^^You are using one year to base your opinion on? Seriously, you can do better than that.

I am only using OSU as a comparison because of all the fans here.... that same year OSU signs 19 of which 11 were 3 star or less. Go compare other years and it looks like to me they are all comparable too. As for who their offers were from... I looked at a few of those also. Both OSU and Mich and really didn't see a lot of difference in the two.

The rating system is great... for fans to talk about. Might indicate a player who is able to come in and play immediately. I think you know as well as I do they don't always pan out though. Another thing about the stars given to a player. How often does OSU, USC, ND or Tex sign a 2 or 3 star and they are soon after awarded another star. WVU just got a commit from a QB out of Texas with no stars but 2 days later he becomes a 3 star??? How does that work.
Various services rate players differently also.

I guess the point I was trying to make was that the last 4 classes for Michigan, 3 were rated in the top 12 and the 4th was at 20. MAC level talent doesn't get rated that high.

[GoBuckeyes2786]

Like u say, the star ratings don't always mean anything. Some players are deserving but it mostly comes down to how well coaches developed those players and see the potential that is there. The only thing the star ratings really show is supposed strength or your recruiting class because some kids are going to overachieve and others will underachiev

James laurinaitis was a 3 star recruit coming out of high school according to scout.com back in the day. He ended up being a 3 time 1st team all American. Same for malcom Jenkins, I believe he was a 3 star possibly a 4 star and he was a all American.

[Peake]

^^^^HAHAHA, nice.

Orestes, again I was not making a comparison, but put Tressel at Buffalo and let him try and dig that program out of the mud. I think you have to consider the quality of programs etc. Again I am not comparing the two, only the guide for getting both to their respected programs. I love how OSU fans always turn Michigan threads into OSU threads. Hence the reason i less frequent this board, too many OSU this OSU that on Michigan threads.

Anyways, Michigan just plucked away recruits from Minny, Vandy, picked up an All-American kicker, and got another runningback all in a 3 day span. Nice work.

[boilermaker]

GO BLUE ,,,,,Looking forward to this season!

[Peake]

just got another LB commit today, it is a silent so I haven't heard the name yet but we will find out soon

[eccedomusscientiae]

This is a much better hire than Rodriguez. Hoke will respect the program and those who came from it. Rodriguez disrespected his own alma mater, why would anyone think he wouldnt do the same at Michigan? I like the hire and knew the hire would be someone like Hoke. Three full days before Hioke was hired, Michigans AD came out and exorted Michigan faithful to support whomever they brought in. At that point, i knew Harbaugh and Miles werent coming.
Hoke would walk to Michigan to take that job??? No kidding, he was at SanDiego State. Thats like leaving McDonalds to work at Ruths Chris

[1987chieftains]

just got another LB commit today, it is a silent so I haven't heard the name yet but we will find out soon

any name??

[JChipwood]

Hoke would walk to Michigan to take that job??? No kidding, he was at SanDiego State. Thats like leaving McDonalds to work at Ruths Chris

But yet RR disrespected his alma mater by leaving (which was really his only slight to the university) to go to Mich????? I would say leaving SDSU is comparable to leaving WVU when taking a job at Michigan. Hope Hoke works out alot better, don't get me wrong, but the double standard kills me. RR did disrespect the program supporters and got caught up in some infractions which are very very minor.......his big downfall was not winning winnable games, imho. Carr left him a $h1tty hand and did nothing to restock after putting his eggs in one basket with his last sr class in terms of recruiting for the future and RR lost his best players immediately upon going to AA causing his to start over from scratch. Hope Hoke gets UM back in business and back to being the second best in the BigTen. :122246 J/k In short, I hate the double standard applied. UM is a job most coaches would love to have and very few programs have the history or fanbase that UM has (including LSU, Miles will regret his decision someday but UM is better off w/o h Miles) and only a handful of programs could even question a coach for leaving to go to AA to be the head man.

[Peake]

Antonio Poole the linebacker out of Cin. Winton Woods, 4*.

[Peake]

Minor infractions? Due to him we lost our entire QC staff, and are now on porbation.

Carr left him a bad hand? How so?
Ryan Mallett-Going to be a 1st round pick in this years NFL draft
Brandon Minor-Backup for Bears.
Marion Manningham- Starter for Giants
Adrian Arrington-5th WR in New Orleans
Justin Boren-Going to be a 2-3 round draft pick and all big ten
Brandon Graham-All American and starter for Eagles
Morgan Trent-Starting nickle for Cincy
Donnavon Warren-NY Jets
Steve SChilling- 2nd Team All Big Ten
David Molk-1st team all big ten
Troy Wolfolk
Kevin Koger
Junior Hemmingway
Daryl Stonum
Mike Martin-Would have been a 2-4 round pick if he would have came out

Now tell me he left him nothing. When Rich arrived Mallett was a true freshmen, Arrington and Manningham were juniors, Minor was a sophomore, Carlos Brown as sophomore, Schilling a Sophomore, Molk a true freshmen, Graham a sophomore, Trent a junior, Warren a true freshmen. That is a bs statement.

*The truth is he ran off Mallett because he said he was going after Pryor and would not adapt his system to fit Malletts skills, how stupid can you be? Ran off Steven Threet for the same reason who is now the starter at Arizona State. Ran off a good majority of his first class. Let our best OL transfer to freaking OSU!!! Why in the hell he granted him a release to OSU is unreal. Ran off Manningham and Arrington with his run happy offense and ran off their best QB. In three years he has ran off two DC, one of which coached a top 20 defense after he left at Syracuse.

There is no double standard in my mind. RR was looking to leave the year before. He was looking for any excuse. He didn't really WANT to go to Michigan, he just wanted out of Morgantown. He came didn't know sh*t about the culture, traditions, media, etc. Pissed off all the right people inside the athletic deaprtment, and successfully ran off 90% of the best players with my system will win us games. Good job buddy and that's why you are unemployed now.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Thank you Peake for not falling into the "The talent was empty, Carr left him nothing" hype.

That is one huge pile of crap, and I'm tired of hearing it from UM fans!!!

[JChipwood]

I'm not taking up for or making excuses for RR and his ignorance jsut saying he was dogged for leaving Morgantown and is is only slightly a step above SDSU and only because he made it that way.

Since you brought it up though, put those guys together..... a mix of 4 classes; some old some with a little experience, and they still wouldn't have won the BigTen. Mallett was a goner and even Carr new that, if RR was the next coach. Boren, yeh I agree with you on the transfer but in talkiing to him it was the conditioning routine and the fact that RR was a jerk upon walking onto campus and he didn't like it in AA and wanted to go to tOSU all along but made a committment to his father. I didn't say they didn't have talent but had very little proven talent and then I said he "lost" or chased away the players he did have. Still in 4 classes you sight a handful minus the obvious guys he lost because he was a jerk. UM graduated a super sr class in Carr's last year, one that is hard to replace or reload from regardless.

Still my point was that UM fans want to make a big deal about the excitement coming in with Hoke but I'm sure deep down RR had to be excited to get out of Morgantown and the BigEast and go to a school like UM and a huge step up in the BigTen.

[Raiderball]

Just a few comments concerning RR, UM and WVU.

RR was going to Alabama just a year before he left for UM. Asked for more from WVU and got it. Maybe things weren't progressing as he thought it should have but it would have happened. Especially now with the new AD and President. His stubbornness to adapt his offense to personnel is his downfall. WVU losing to Pitt and USF was the simple fact they loaded 9 in the box, matched up athletically and he refused to throw the ball downfield. Defensively (at WVU) he would bring in athletes who if they couldn't make it on the offensive side of the ball they moved to defense and the defensive coaches had to coach them up. I think (opinion) that is why in some years we simply had to outscore people. If you have better athletes you can do that... Pitt and USF the exceptions. IMO and from what I have read, take it for what it's worth, RR wants yes men on his staff.

Peake, you seem to be a lot like me in that you supported RR while he was your coach but once he is gone you speak your true feelings. I remember some disagreements we had 2-3 years ago concerning him. With that being said... if RR was still at WVU I would still be supporting him. Hey, I supported Bill Stewart and wanted to see him succeed but deep down I had serious questions.

Don't want to get off topic or hi jack the thread but I do have to comment on this...

JChip, WVU only slightly above/better than SDSU???? Serioiusly? What do you know about WVU football and it's history? I admit, I know nothing of SDSU history other than what I just looked up.

WVU is in top 20 all time in wins and possibly top 15. What they don't have is a national championship. The only schools above them in wins are all schools most would consider elite... USC, Texas, ND, UM, OSU, PSU, Bama and such.

All time winning %
WVU 26
SDSU 53

[Peake]

Thanks for the response!


BTW, Michigan just picked up a QB. Adam Bellamy from Texas, 6'3, 185, 3*, was committed to Purdue. They got the word from Poole last night, and All-American DB Blake COuntess is has decided to stick with the Wolverines. In the past week Hoke has gotten commitments from 2lb, DE, 2 DB, K, RB, and a QB. NOt bad work your first week on the job.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Not bad, but if stealing recruits from Minnesota and Purdue is the highlight of the early Hoke era, then I'm still happy to know that the streak will continue for awhile.

I realize that these guys are better than the Bug East and lower level talent that RR was getting on defense, but still, settling for Purdue and Minnesota recruits used to be blasphemy in AA.