wrote this on another Michigan Site

[Peake]

Please show me where I anointed anyone the 2nd coming. I said he will do a great job at Michigan and I believe it.

Why a ND fan continues to come on a Michigan thread and spew out things about Michigan when they themselves have not been relevant since 1993ish I have no clue.

Hoke was part of the Michigan staff before, I am pretty sure he knows what to expect being the HEad Coach of Michigan considering he has seen it first hand. Which, is the real difference between Hoke and Kelly. Hoke has been a part of a staff at a football giant like Michigan, while Kelly had not. So please stop with the Notre Dame, Brian Kelly-Charlie Weis parallels.

Regardless, Hoke is recruiting like a mad man, which like I said in the opening post is what will bring UM back. He continues to take top talent from Ohio and the midwest. Jordan Diamond 5-star OT out of Chicago is a heavy lean as is new 5-star DT out of Mizzou Andre Pipkins. The word from Bill Greene is Brionte Dunn 5-star RB from Columbus just became a MAJOR player with UM. He said he could easily see his recruitment go the same way as Kalis.

Things are looking up.

[The Flying Dutchman]

The same reason you come on every Notre Dame thread I guess I have not said a negative thing about your beloved school up north. Your problem is simple, you expect to be able to post whatever you like on any thread no matter if its OSU, ND or Mich. but yet noone is allowed to post on a Mich thread without your permission. I still think Hoke and Kelly have traveled similar paths and I could care less if you agree.

[Peake]

I go on posts objectively and make actual points.

You have drawn comparisons between Kelly and Weis to Hoke, which are both wildly inaccurate.

Weis has never been a head coach, his recruiting scheme was to flash his super bowl rings and kids bought in. That is nothing like HOke. Kelly has never been an assistant at a big school, ever. There is no comparison there and your point is inaccurate again because unlike Kelly, Hoke has been at a big school and the very school he is the head coach of. I am willing to be he is aware of the commitments he must make in order to be the head coach, since he did see it first hand. Again, that is not a similar path nor does it make your point relevant.

Stop drawling parallels between Notre Dame and Michigan coaches, they are inaccurate and irrelevant.

I can see that you don't care because despite your many many efforts to bring Notre Dame into a Michigan thread you continue to be wrong but continue posting the same thing over and over hoping someone will take you serious.

[Peake]

quick how long before dutchmen comes back to post about Notre Dame?

[Bleeding Red]

MIchigan picks up former buckeye 5-star OT Kyle Kalis today.


MIchigans recruiting class is sick.

As far as the Kalis kid, if he wants to play the hop scotch game with school selection, he is better off at UM. Those kind of kids seem to always implode and wind up being underachievers.

When the NCAA rulings come out next month, I would not be surprised to see Kalis change his mind again if OSU doesnt get hit with a loss of scholarships. The kid seems to not know what he wants to do at this point in time.

[Peake]

Hop scotch? He de-committed from 1 school to another, I wouldn't call that hop scotch.

I think it had more to do with his best friend Tom Strobel (michigan commit) going to UM. Bill Greene said that prior to the OSU situation Strobel was an OSU lock, and I think that Kalis thought that too.

He seems to know what he is doing having visited Michigan twice in less then a month, committing, then claiming he is rooming with Strobel and has already begun to help recruit kids to UM.

JMO.

BTW, he is not the only buckeye likely to switch from red to blue.

[The Flying Dutchman]

Peake, I'm sorry I thought I was entitled to my opinion even if you did not agree with it. I never said anything bad about Hoke or Mich. As far as Weis, I only said he had some great classes in the summer only to lose them when he didn't win on the field which could happen at Mich. also. I also tried to point out that both Kelly and Hoke won at a MAC school, then were hired at a bigger school not known for football and they both won big there. They were then hired at two of the winninest schools in college history to restore both back to power. To me those are pretty close paths but then again I am not nearly as smart as you

[Peake]

but then again I am not nearly as smart as you

BINGO! :122245

[Satelite]

Dutchman, no need to apologize. Most everyone reading this thread can "clearly" understand your points, as well as the facts that underly within them. The fans up north finally have something to cheer about. They are beating your Irish and my Bucks in.....signing names on paper, not football. All with hopes that this will one day transpire into wins in football again.

[Peake]

Just to be clear.....Michigan v Notre Dame the past three years is 2-1, 2 in a row to be more clear, and 5-4 in the past decade.

Not to mention there is no reason for this to become a MIchigan v Notre Dame thread.

Exactly my point from the get go.

There is no need to drawl parallels between Notre Dame currently and Michigan. Michigan has beaten Notre Dame twice now in "down" years.

It all starts with recruiting, and that is where this thing will turn around v OSU. You have to beat them for the top guys or you are not going to beat them on the field. Anyone who doesn't understand that does not understand college football.

[oldmo31]

Like I said before.Without OHIO,Michigan is NOTHING!!!!! LOL

[Satelite]

Just to be clear.....Michigan v Notre Dame the past three years is 2-1, 2 in a row to be more clear, and 5-4 in the past decade.

Not to mention there is no reason for this to become a MIchigan v Notre Dame thread.

Exactly my point from the get go.

There is no need to drawl parallels between Notre Dame currently and Michigan. Michigan has beaten Notre Dame twice now in "down" years.

It all starts with recruiting, and that is where this thing will turn around v OSU. You have to beat them for the top guys or you are not going to beat them on the field. Anyone who doesn't understand that does not understand college football.

Let me see if I know "anything" about college football.

From 2003-2009 that team up north averaged a #9 ranked recruiting class. Starting in 2005, (giving the 2003 class two years of developement) they have a overall record of 35-27. The Ohio State averaged a #10 ranked class and had a record of 54-10, while Notre Dame averaged a #21 ranked class with the same record as yours 35-27. All this according to rivals.com

My point is this, you can get all excited about where talking-heads rank these guys coming out of high school, but it means nothing. Time and time again, guys are highly recruited and they do not pan out. We buckeyes remember the best quarterback to supposebly ever come out of the state of Ohio....Justin Zwick. Heck, I do not even think he started 5 games in a single season! The games during the season, those are what matter.

I know the logic in needing the best recruits...you do not have to attack my intelligience any further. However, I suggest you get your program a little more excited about beating Ohio State in the Fall, rather in the Spring. It's a whole lot more enjoyable that way.

[Bleeding Red]

Just to be clear.....Michigan v Notre Dame the past three years is 2-1, 2 in a row to be more clear, and 5-4 in the past decade.

Not to mention there is no reason for this to become a MIchigan v Notre Dame thread.

Exactly my point from the get go.

There is no need to drawl parallels between Notre Dame currently and Michigan. Michigan has beaten Notre Dame twice now in "down" years.

It all starts with recruiting, and that is where this thing will turn around v OSU. You have to beat them for the top guys or you are not going to beat them on the field. Anyone who doesn't understand that does not understand college football.

Let me see if I know "anything" about college football.

From 2003-2009 that team up north averaged a #9 ranked recruiting class. Starting in 2005, (giving the 2003 class two years of developement) they have a overall record of 35-27. The Ohio State averaged a #10 ranked class and had a record of 54-10, while Notre Dame averaged a #21 ranked class with the same record as yours 35-27. All this according to rivals.com

My point is this, you can get all excited about where talking-heads rank these guys coming out of high school, but it means nothing. Time and time again, guys are highly recruited and they do not pan out. We buckeyes remember the best quarterback to supposebly ever come out of the state of Ohio....Justin Zwick. Heck, I do not even think he started 5 games in a single season! The games during the season, those are what matter.

I know the logic in needing the best recruits...you do not have to attack my intelligience any further. However, I suggest you get your program a little more excited about beating Ohio State in the Fall, rather in the Spring. It's a whole lot more enjoyable that way.

Good post.

Alot of these higher ranked players look like men among boys in high school, because that is what they are. When they line up across from another "stud" in college, they dont look nearly as good.

I think the rankings are good to locate high school talent, but alot of things chance when they play competition equal to their own abilities.

Look at all of the NFL Hall of Famers that came from colleges that were not even D1.

[Blackjack]

Satelite - I totally agree with you. Well said.

[seofan_via_dublin]

Wow, we've seen where this discussion is heading, and it normally happens about this time each year! Lol

[Bleeding Red]

Wow, we've seen where this discussion is heading, and it normally happens about this time each year! Lol

And it normally ends the same way in November!

[Peake]

as Michigan State HEad Coach said about MIchigan at one point, "the pride comes before the fall." How quickly you have forgotten 2-11-1. Things will change, as they always do.

From 2003-2009 that team up north averaged a #9 ranked recruiting class. Starting in 2005, (giving the 2003 class two years of developement) they have a overall record of 35-27. The Ohio State averaged a #10 ranked class and had a record of 54-10, while Notre Dame averaged a #21 ranked class with the same record as yours 35-27. All this according to rivals.com

Lets start with point #1. Lets not forget the transition from drop back to spread and from a 4-3 base to a 3-3-5. Take the previous three years out and recalculate your little formula. Also notice the gradual decline from the Carr era in rankings to RR which brought in a blinded #8 class, followed by a #14 and #12 class, all of which were well lower then the Carr era. Lets calculate the 2003 class and ignore the RR era to further drive home the point.

***The 2002 class (4th and 5th years) finished with a combined record of 46-17*** including three blowout wins over ND and a win over OSU. Meanwhile ND finished 33-26.

***Not to mention that from 06-09 Michigan saw 5-star Marques Slowcum, 4-star Corbani Mixon, 5-star Justin Boren, 5-star Ryan Mallett, 4-star Tony Clemons, 5- Star JT Turner, 4-star Zion Babb, 4-star Brandon Smith, 4-star Sam McGuffie, 4-star Marcus Witherspoon, 4-star Kurt Wermers, 4-star Dan ONiel, 4-star Anthoney Lalotta, 4-star Tate Forcier, and 5-star Boubacar Cissoko all leave the team. That is nearly 40% of the 4 and 5 star talent in 4 recruiting classes gone.

My point is this, you can get all excited about where talking-heads rank these guys coming out of high school, but it means nothing

Ignorance or stupidity one.

2002 top recruiting class: Texas, Oklahoma, and OSU. 2003 Oklahoma plays for a NC, OSU in a BCS Bowl, and Texas goes 11-3.
2003 recruiting class-USC, LSU, Oklahoma: 2004 Bowls USC and Oklahoma in the NC, LSU in the Capital One Bowl, oh and Texas is in a BCS Bowl and OSU finishes 9-4.
2004 recruiting class-USC, LSU, Miami. 2005 Bowls: TExas and USC for NC, LSU wins 11 games and Miami 9.
2005 recruiting class-Tennessee, Michigan, FSU. 2006 Bowls: Michigan in Rose, Tennessee wins 10 games, USC and LSU back in BCS Bowls.

As you can see the top recruiting teams put teams in BCS Bowls. Very simple.

However, I suggest you get your program a little more excited about beating Ohio State in the Fall, rather in the Spring. It's a whole lot

Either you ignored my opening post or you can't read. Coach Hoke has been a part of a staff at UM that was 5-2 v OSU during his time at UM. He only refers to OSU as Ohio, he put up a clock counting down until The Game, he said verbatim OSU is the most important game. I am not sure what more can be done to get these guys excited. To act as though it is not is silly. Going back to recruiting, until you beat the buckeyes for top guys, you don't beat them on the field. It really is as simple as that. You have to put talent on the field equal or greater to what they have, something that was not happening under RR and Carr late.

[Peake]

"2002 top recruiting class: Texas, Oklahoma, and OSU. 2003 Oklahoma plays for a NC, OSU in a BCS Bowl, and Texas goes 11-3.
2003 recruiting class-USC, LSU, Oklahoma: 2004 Bowls USC and Oklahoma in the NC, LSU in the Capital One Bowl, oh and Texas is in a BCS Bowl and OSU finishes 9-4.
2004 recruiting class-USC, LSU, Miami. 2005 Bowls: TExas and USC for NC, LSU wins 11 games and Miami 9.
2005 recruiting class-Tennessee, Michigan, FSU. 2006 Bowls: Michigan in Rose, Tennessee wins 10 games, USC and LSU back in BCS Bowls.

As you can see the top recruiting teams put teams in BCS Bowls. Very simple"


@ Bleeding Red....obviously top talent equals National Titles and BCS Bowls. There is no other way to argue this, it is fact. Look at the rankings and look at the top3 or 4 teams and then a year or two down the road, they are playing in BCS Bowl games.

[Bleeding Red]

Yeah, we will see what happens in November. I see as many as 7 losses on their schedule (UM) but who knows, their recruiting may pay off and they will win some of those games.

I hope UM gets better. The "Game" hasnt been much recently. I guess from your factual stats you have pointed out Peake, they should be holding the big trophy in January.

[Bleeding Red]

And honestly, I wouldnt mind seeing ANY Big Ten team holding the big trophy in January