=THE TVC POWER POLL= (WEEK X) = (UPDATED WITH SEASON AWARDS)

[dilligaf]

ok i will tell you what why dont you try and find a athens football player who will say they are number one team in tvc.I bet they know better.

[questionmark]

'Ol Dilligaf, I don't see what your tryin' to get at...

The way I see it, 4 Teams can claim "Best Team!"

...And it is quite simple...

If Athens wins vs. Belpre, they can claim to be the best because they will be at worst Co-Champs!
If Trimble wins vs. Southern, they can claim to be the best because they will be Champs!
If Southern wins vs. Trimble, and then again the following week, they at worst will be Co-Champs!
If NY wins vs. Vinton County, they can claim to be the best because they will be at worst Co-Champs!

They, who hold the League Championship Trophy, will be 'The Best!'...

[buckfan84]

While I appreciate all the work you have done on this poll, it is clearly flawed. I realize you have done this the same all year but school size has to be a consideration in ranking the teams. I am sure that next year you will tweak it.

Having said that, it is great having Athens in the league if for no other reason than Athens posters have done so much for the TVC already by building a TVC website, polls, etc.

Please don't be offended, I'm not being critical.God knows I couldn't put together a formula to determine rankings. Nor would I want to rank the three Athens County teams in the TVC Ohio that have beat each other.

[Rufus]

Are people seriously getting that upset over this poll? It's an internet thread, no need to lose sleep over it. I don't think it's really that bad of a poll. Nelsonville-York shot themselves in the foot by being shutout @ Alexander. School size should not matter...because school size does not matter in the TVC. Nobody is going to be like "okay well Athens and NY each have one loss, but Athens is a bigger school...so let's just give the outright title to NY."

What if this scenerio would have played out...NY loses to Alex...Alex loses to Athens (but let's say they would have beat Meigs for the sake of the argument) Athens loses to NY...who do you people (the ones complaining) put at number 1 then? Obviouly Alexander losing hurts the argument, but if that scenerio would have played out, the point system would have been the only way to calibrate the standings. Each team would have had 1 loss to each other.

In all honesty, I'm a NY fan and an Alexander fan, but seeing all the teams play this season, I still feel like Athens in the superior team in the league.

[questionmark]

Stud-
Excellent Point, the reason for the point system to determine the spots in the 1st place...

Is this way perfect, even I know it is not. Like I have mentioned before, this was a 1st attempt at something new, something I thought I could have fun, each week crunching the numbers, then seeing what came from all that mess...also, I have said now numerous times this means nothing on actual outcomes, it does not determine who plays in 'The Bourbon Bowl' or 'The Rose Bowl' or 'The TVC Bowl'...it was just something fun to do Saturday morning after Week One had passed and all games had been played, to see where it might lead...

What I do like about the experiment is that outta the Top 5 Teams, your 2 main contenders right now for the Ohio (Athens/NY) and your two main contenders right now for the Hocking (Trimble/Southern) are in, and the other (Alexander) if not for a heartbreaking loss last week could easily be in the running for it as well...

Perfect no, Working as of now, can it improve? Everything can improve...

Also Buckfan84-
I appreciate your comments, and I understand your thoughts. School size was not on of the factors in the formula from the beginning. Maybe next year I can tweak it and find/or determine a set number of points for beating a school who is a division above you...time will tell, and good luck to your bucknuts this Friday, we all in Athens County are rooting for you vs. Ironton...

Interesting last 2 Weeks should be fun to watch...

[Orestes]

I was hesitant to post in this thread to discuss the point system, because many have been bashing the poster, rather than simply critiquing the point system. However, since I'm on pretty good terms with the poll creator, and since I can assure baseballstud that I have not lost any sleep (over this anyway ), I am going to post some suggestions I have for the poll. People are also free to criticize my thoughts, and questionmark, please do as you wish. You don't have to listen to any of my suggestions at all. I will not even be slightly offended

1. First an agreement: I think the value of a win should always be the highest number. Yes, a team can earn more during a game than a win, the points for a win are still the most that can be gained by one single event. I like this about the poll.

2. I think quality of opponent should far outweigh "points scored" and "points against." I think almost any team would value a close win over a 9-win team, than a blowout over a 1-win team. However, I did these quick figures on hypothetical scenarios (please correct me if my calculations are incorrect):

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 40 points (10 +5+1+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 32 points (10+5+9+6+2)

I think that such an outcome should not be possible. Anyone would respect win #2 over win #1. Even if the opponent in game #1 had zero wins, that blowout would be worth more points (39) than the close win in a huge game (32). However, if "defeated opponents' wins" were changed from 1 point to 4 points, this is how the hypothetical would play out:

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 43 points (10+5+4+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 59 points (10+5+36+6+2)

If the "opponents' wins" point value were changed to 5 points, it would look like this:

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 44 points (10+5+5+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 68 points (10+5+45+6+2)

I'm not sure which outcome I like the best (slightly favoring the 5-points system), but I definitely feel that game #2 should be worth much more than game #1. Not only because "big wins" are the true test of a team's worth, but also because relying so heavily on blowouts, automatically favors a team with a "quick-strike" offense over a team that slowly executes methodical drives up and down the field.

I would also award a point or two for every win an opponent earns even if you lost to that opponent. Not to sound like a NY homer, but they could have tallied some points by playing a Fed Hock this week. However, they are playing Ironton. I think even a loss should give them some strength of schedule (SOS) points. If 5 points per opponent win are given for a win, I think 1-2 points should be given in a loss. In the future, this will reward 5-5 teams who played a "lights out" non-conference schedule and win a lot of games in the conference.

3. I agree that defense should be worth more than points scored, unless the points scored are just extreme. So, I like that part of the system. However, I think I would eliminate points being awarded for any team giving up more than 21 (especially with 12-minute quarters and running games). I don't believe any team feels good about giving up more than that amount. Also, it strengthens the idea that teams with shaky defenses are often the "paper tigers" compared to those who consistently play good defense.

I also would have a point reduction penalty for any team giving up more than 28 points. This will clear out some of the "scoring fest" teams who always get a wake-up call when they play a good defense. It also will penalize teams who are likely to slip up to fairly average teams, as we saw last week. However, I would not implement this penalty unless the SOS suggestions are taken, as giving up 30 to Logan does not equal giving up 30 to Meigs.

4. I would also insert a "head to head" point award for any cases where two teams have the same LEAGUE record. This includes teams near the bottom with the same league record. College tie-breakers are also initially determined by "head to head." However, I would not simply bump Team B above Team A just because Team B beat Team A. I would just award 15-20 points to Team B for beating Team A if Team B has the same league record at Team A. Obviously, this would do little to solve baseballstud's hypothetical (UT, TT, and OU in the Big 12 last year), but in those cases, the SOS would likely be the determining factor. If not, and two or three teams have a similar SOS, the "points for" and "points against" totals would decide the Power Poll Champion.


Anyway, these are just some tweaks I would make. It awards wins first and foremost. Second, it favors tough non-conference schedules, and wins over quality opponents rather than flashy wins over weaklings. Third, it rewards teams who simply play tough non-conference opponents, even is defeat. Fourth, it penalizes teams who give up a lot of points. Finally, it gives some deference to "head to head" outcomes when two teams have the same conference record.

Again, feel free to criticize my thoughts. Just please don't criticize me personally, and stop taking shots at questionmark. This is all in good fun, and he has posted numerous times that he would consider well thought-out suggestions for improvement.

[Pickbuck86]

Alright, some posters have asked to see the Power Poll (Point System) used to get these Rankings. I have no problem with that so I will put it below. Also keep it mind, this is a system that I myself did not create in anyway, as I searched and found a system used by someone else who had previously experimented with this. So this was my first attempt at this, and have talked with other posters about making adjustments to it for next season which I agree it does need some tweaking.

=The Power Poll (Point System)=
*10 POINTS – WIN
5 POINTS – ROAD WIN
2 POINTS – HOME WIN
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2 POINTS – PER 7 POINTS SCORED
1 POINT – PER (WINS) AN OPPONENT YOU DEFEATED EARNS (UPDATES DURING SEASON)
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*10 POINTS – SHUT-OUT THE OPPONENT
5 POINTS – HOLD A TEAM TO 7 POINTS OR LESS
4 POINTS – HOLD A TEAM TO 8-14 POINTS
3 POINTS – HOLD A TEAM TO 15-21 POINTS
2 POINTS – HOLD A TEAM TO 22-28 POINTS
1 POINT – WINNING BACK-TO-BACK GAMES
*-10 POINTS – FOR BEING SHUT-OUT (league opponent only) + NO POINTS EARNED FOR THAT WEEK
NO POINTS – SHUT-OUT -NON-LEAGUE OPPONENT
*Indicates Key Components of The System Teams Need To do Well In

=The ATHENS vs. NELSONVILLE-YORK Comparison=

ATHENS – Power Points (Week-by-Week)
WEEK ONE – 10+5+10+6 = 31
WEEK TWO – 10+5+12+5+1 = 29
WEEK THREE -10+2+10+1+4+1=28
WEEK FOUR -10+2+16+1+3+1=31
WEEK FIVE -10+5+12+10+1=38
WEEK SIX – 10+2+8+5+1=26
WEEK SEVEN-10+5+6+10+1=32
WEEK EIGHT-2+4=6
Power Points Earned Via WiNs from Opponent Defeated = 17
VS. OPPONENT COMBINED RECORD (24-40)
TOTAL – 216+(17 OpWins) = 233
[Galia 1-7][Fed 1-7][Bloom 2-6][Meigs 3-5][VC 1-7][Alex 6-2][Wellston 3-5][NY 7-1]

NELSONVILLE-YORK - Power Points (Week-by-Week)
WEEK ONE – 10+5+2+5 = 20
WEEK TWO – 10+2+6+5 = 22
WEEK THREE-10+2+6+3+1=22
WEEK FOUR- 10+2+10+5+1=28
WEEK FIVE – 10+5+8+3+1=27
WEEK SIX -10+5+14+5+1=35
WEEK SEVEN- (SHUT-OUT) (-10)
WEEK EIGHT-10+5+4+4=23
Power Points Earned Via WiNs from Opponent Defeated = 24
VS. OPPONENT COMBINED RECORD (30-24)
TOTAL – 167+(24 OpWins) = 191
[Trimble 4-4][Piketon 5-3][BU 2-6][Wellston 3-5][Meigs 3-5][Belpre 0-8][Alexander 6-2][Athens 7-1]

So, there are all the Numbers that have been factored in.
What Stands out is this...
Athens Defense has (Shut-Out) 3 Opponents
NY's (Shut-Out) Loss to Alexander has cost them

There you go...That has been the system used for 8 Weeks Now...
Yes it is not perfect, but I'll be open to suggestion to improve it next year (mind you this was the 1st time I tried something like this)...

Now, we have 2 weeks left...Let's see how this plays out...
GOOD LUCK TO ALL TVC TEAMS!!!!

Questionmark, First of all, let me say, I am not criticizing your poll. Just a couple of questions. Let's say that the Buckeyes beat Alex by the same margin as Athens, 14-13, would we still be ranked #2? My math says yes (but of course, I was not a math major either). And if this is true, basically this is a poll that ranks a team's total offense, and points given up on defense. Is that right?

[Orestes]

I was hesitant to post in this thread to discuss the point system, because many have been bashing the poster, rather than simply critiquing the point system. However, since I'm on pretty good terms with the poll creator, and since I can assure baseballstud that I have not lost any sleep (over this anyway ), I am going to post some suggestions I have for the poll. People are also free to criticize my thoughts, and questionmark, please do as you wish. You don't have to listen to any of my suggestions at all. I will not even be slightly offended

1. First an agreement: I think the value of a win should always be the highest number. Yes, a team can earn more during a game than a win, the points for a win are still the most that can be gained by one single event. I like this about the poll.

2. I think quality of opponent should far outweigh "points scored" and "points against." I think almost any team would value a close win over a 9-win team, than a blowout over a 1-win team. However, I did these quick figures on hypothetical scenarios (please correct me if my calculations are incorrect):

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 40 points (10 +5+1+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 32 points (10+5+9+6+2)

I think that such an outcome should not be possible. Anyone would respect win #2 over win #1. Even if the opponent in game #1 had zero wins, that blowout would be worth more points (39) than the close win in a huge game (32). However, if "defeated opponents' wins" were changed from 1 point to 4 points, this is how the hypothetical would play out:

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 43 points (10+5+4+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 59 points (10+5+36+6+2)

If the "opponents' wins" point value were changed to 5 points, it would look like this:

A 49-0 road win over a 1-9 league opponent = 44 points (10+5+5+14+10)
A 22-21 road win over a 9-1 league opponent = 68 points (10+5+45+6+2)

I'm not sure which outcome I like the best (slightly favoring the 5-points system), but I definitely feel that game #2 should be worth much more than game #1. Not only because "big wins" are the true test of a team's worth, but also because relying so heavily on blowouts, automatically favors a team with a "quick-strike" offense over a team that slowly executes methodical drives up and down the field.

I would also award a point or two for every win an opponent earns even if you lost to that opponent. Not to sound like a NY homer, but they could have tallied some points by playing a Fed Hock this week. However, they are playing Ironton. I think even a loss should give them some strength of schedule (SOS) points. If 5 points per opponent win are given for a win, I think 1-2 points should be given in a loss. In the future, this will reward 5-5 teams who played a "lights out" non-conference schedule and win a lot of games in the conference.

3. I agree that defense should be worth more than points scored, unless the points scored are just extreme. So, I like that part of the system. However, I think I would eliminate points being awarded for any team giving up more than 21 (especially with 12-minute quarters and running games). I don't believe any team feels good about giving up more than that amount. Also, it strengthens the idea that teams with shaky defenses are often the "paper tigers" compared to those who consistently play good defense.

I also would have a point reduction penalty for any team giving up more than 28 points. This will clear out some of the "scoring fest" teams who always get a wake-up call when they play a good defense. It also will penalize teams who are likely to slip up to fairly average teams, as we saw last week. However, I would not implement this penalty unless the SOS suggestions are taken, as giving up 30 to Logan does not equal giving up 30 to Meigs.

4. I would also insert a "head to head" point award for any cases where two teams have the same LEAGUE record. This includes teams near the bottom with the same league record. College tie-breakers are also initially determined by "head to head." However, I would not simply bump Team B above Team A just because Team B beat Team A. I would just award 15-20 points to Team B for beating Team A if Team B has the same league record at Team A. Obviously, this would do little to solve baseballstud's hypothetical (UT, TT, and OU in the Big 12 last year), but in those cases, the SOS would likely be the determining factor. If not, and two or three teams have a similar SOS, the "points for" and "points against" totals would decide the Power Poll Champion.


Anyway, these are just some tweaks I would make. It awards wins first and foremost. Second, it favors tough non-conference schedules, and wins over quality opponents rather than flashy wins over weaklings. Third, it rewards teams who simply play tough non-conference opponents, even is defeat. Fourth, it penalizes teams who give up a lot of points. Finally, it gives some deference to "head to head" outcomes when two teams have the same conference record.

Again, feel free to criticize my thoughts. Just please don't criticize me personally, and stop taking shots at questionmark. This is all in good fun, and he has posted numerous times that he would consider well thought-out suggestions for improvement.

Well, I used my tweaks and totaled the points for just Athens and Nelsonville-York. I also took away the rule that you lose all your points for being shut out, because losing to someone like Athens 0-6 is still an impressive effort by the defense. I did however keep the 10 point reduction. I also used 20 points for the "head to head" reward.

I gave 5 points for each defeated opponent's win, and 2 point for each opponent's win even if NY or Athens lost the game. I would have given zero defensive points for either team giving up more than 21 points, but neither team had given up that many. I would have also reduced 10 points for any team giving up more than 28 points.



Athens finished with 324 points. Alexander earned them 56 points. Meigs and Wellston earned them 47 points each. Their least rewarding win was Gallia (36), and their least rewarding game was NY (20). The shut outs receiving 10 points was huge for Athens, as they have three of them (total of 30 points).

Nelsonville-York finished with 323 points. Athens earned them 58 points. Piketon earned them 49. Their least rewarding wins were Berne Union (32) and Belpre (32). Their least rewarding game was Alexander, which earned them 5 points, as they had 10 points taken away from the total because of being shut out. NY also had 20 points added to their point total, because of beating Athens head to head.

Obviously, giving more points to a team winning head to head on the road against a team with the same league record as them would give NY the lead. A strong argument could be made that winning head to head on the road is worth even more points.

However, either way, these tweaks make the margin very slim, and I think that is a good reflection of how these two teams stand up to one another. The margin is slim.

[Rufus]

Holy crap...you guys went way over my head! Too much math for me!

[Orange and Brown]

Bottom line!!!!

Keep it up! You are doing a good job!!!

[questionmark]

Orestes-
Excellent Points!

You may have just volunteered yourself to help me with this next year!

I agree, I thought when making this the Poll the points would be like yours, where few points separated #1, #2 and #3...and maybe it will after these last 2 weeks...

I have had fun with this, and I hope to make it better the next go-around...

Ps...and I agree with you that I don't think Athens is 40 some or what ever the difference there is right now between them and NY...from a non-point system ranking, I think Athens and NY would be 1a & 1b...which is likely to be the way they finish as Co-Champs...

[Orestes]

Orestes-
Excellent Points!

You may have just volunteered yourself to help me with this next year!

I agree, I thought when making this the Poll the points would be like yours, where few points separated #1, #2 and #3...and maybe it will after these last 2 weeks...

I have had fun with this, and I hope to make it better the next go-around...

Ps...and I agree with you that I don't think Athens is 40 some or what ever the difference there is right now between them and NY...from a non-point system ranking, I think Athens and NY would be 1a & 1b...which is likely to be the way they finish as Co-Champs...

Haha thanks.. and I would definitely be willing to toss around ideas, and run any new changes through a hypothetical or two. I think people need to realize that as long as you're open to possible changes, this poll will only get better and better every year. Give it some time..

I think one way to get people off your back would be to show your formula at the beginning of the year, and then show the point totals each week. Not all the math, but the totals. That way, other posters can follow along, and even keep track while checking scores at night.

Oh, and another thought I had for the future of the poll has to do with a 6-4 (5-0) team compared to a 9-1 (4-1) team, especially when the difference in overall record has to do with non-conference SOS. I'm thinking that maybe 5 points or so extra should be given for each conference win. Also, maybe a big bonus of 25 points or so if a team goes 5-0 in league play. Obviously, some scenarios would have to be worked through to see if the extra points would be helpful.

I just think if let's say Athens plays Ironton, Logan, Sheridan, and New Lex in the non-conference, but finished 6-4 overall and 5-0 in the league, that they should be ranked over a team that plays Eastern, South Gallia, Hannah, etc. in the non-conference and finished 9-1 overall and 4-1 in the league.

[mr.dude2010]

ok i will tell you what why dont you try and find a athens football player who will say they are number one team in tvc.I bet they know better.

were the #1 team in the TVC. they took advantage of our poor second half effort and a couple of calls that seemed questionable kept a couple of drives going that shouldve been stopped. there is no doubt in any of your minds that we are the better team, we just didnt play like it. also when you run your most successful pass play its bad luck to have it intercepted in the closing minutes the game wouldve been over even if it had just been incomplete. basically when you play your worst offensive game of the year against your best opponent and still only lose by an extra point its hard to see them as a better team, just as a better team for the last 5 minutes of that game.


with respect to the poll, opponents records should be taken into account, but also who those opponents have played. Wahama has a good record but look at who theyve played. a team that consistently loses 25-21 to teams like frederickton is better than a team that consistently beats teams like south gallia 26-0.

[Orestes]

ok i will tell you what why dont you try and find a athens football player who will say they are number one team in tvc.I bet they know better.

were the #1 team in the TVC. they took advantage of our poor second half effort and a couple of calls that seemed questionable kept a couple of drives going that shouldve been stopped. there is no doubt in any of your minds that we are the better team, we just didnt play like it. also when you run your most successful pass play its bad luck to have it intercepted in the closing minutes the game wouldve been over even if it had just been incomplete. basically when you play your worst offensive game of the year against your best opponent and still only lose by an extra point its hard to see them as a better team, just as a better team for the last 5 minutes of that game.


with respect to the poll, opponents records should be taken into account, but also who those opponents have played. Wahama has a good record but look at who theyve played. a team that consistently loses 25-21 to teams like frederickton is better than a team that consistently beats teams like south gallia 26-0.

1. What do you think happens when you play "your best opponent" on the schedule? They force you into your worst performance of the season. If they don't make you look ugly, they aren't going to have a shot at winning. Logan would probably snag a few INTs as well. Gallia would not. Things would run smoothly against a bottom-feeder, but those pesky mistakes would pop up against Logan.

2. You have a good point, and I agree with you. However, asking questionmark to look through all of that data is asking too much IMO. That would be very time consuming.

[dilligaf]

ok i will tell you what why dont you try and find a athens football player who will say they are number one team in tvc.I bet they know better.

were the #1 team in the TVC. they took advantage of our poor second half effort and a couple of calls that seemed questionable kept a couple of drives going that shouldve been stopped. there is no doubt in any of your minds that we are the better team, we just didnt play like it. also when you run your most successful pass play its bad luck to have it intercepted in the closing minutes the game wouldve been over even if it had just been incomplete. basically when you play your worst offensive game of the year against your best opponent and still only lose by an extra point its hard to see them as a better team, just as a better team for the last 5 minutes of that game.


with respect to the poll, opponents records should be taken into account, but also who those opponents have played. Wahama has a good record but look at who theyve played. a team that consistently loses 25-21 to teams like frederickton is better than a team that consistently beats teams like south gallia 26-0.

Thanks for proveing my point u say athens played there worst game of the season in there biggest game of the season.NY came out and did what number one teams do in big games win and not choke like you say athens did.Anyway i dont really care i think we all seen who was number one on the field.

[questionmark]

'Ol Dilligaf- you never dissapoint!

Here is two cheers...one for Athens and one for Trimble...

Athens clinched at-least a number one spot in the Ohio Division...
Trimble clinched the number one spot in the Hocking Division...

Right Now! They are NUMBER ONE DILLIGAF!

For the other Hocking Teams, your chances were erased tonight when the Tomcats won...
For the Ohio Teams, your chances were erased tonight when the Bulldogs won...

Only one more TEAM, can get their name in the Number One spot alongside those two above (Nelsonville-York), and we all expect them to join in next week when they finish the regular season with Vinton County...

Some seasons you get an outright Champion (This Year in the Hocking), and some years you get a share of the title between Teams when they take turns beating the snot out of each other (This Year in the Ohio). I don't care what anybody says, but this has been one of the best seasons of football in the TVC...

Once Again...Congrats to Coach Adams of Athens and Coach Faires of Trimble on your Championships as they are well deserved and great for your kids...and here is an early congrats to Coach Boston Jr. of Nelsonville-York, as they should join in next week...

Also, 'Ol Dilligaf quick question for you?
If you say Athens choked against NY, does that mean
NY choked against Alexander, and
Alexander choked against Athens, and
Alexander choked against Meigs, and
NY choked against Ironton and and and and well I think you get the point...none of the above is true at all...

Even Championship Teams can play bad football on any given night...Example, when the Steelers won their 5th Super Bowl (SBXL), they didn't even win their division (Cincy) did that year, and the Steelers had lost to several teams throughout the season...but still were a Championship Team...you seem to have a problem understanding that concept and I'm sorry for you...you can deny deny deny all you want to, but it won't go away. Athens has claimed a share of the TVC-Ohio Title, and instead of finding different way to put the program and the coaches down why don't you try the 'Big' 'Adult' thing and congratulate them of a successful season, but that might just be too hard for you to do...

[dilligaf]

i never heard ny say they were the better team win they lost,never heard one ny player or fan say they lost because they played there worse game of season.

[questionmark]

Just because you didn't hear it doesn't make it not true...

However, why can't Athens say that? There is no harm is saying, well you know what, we just happened to play our worse game of the season at the worst time we could have as we matched up against NY...There is nothing wrong with that statement, and it is very true that Athens indeed did play their worst game statistically against NY as they were held to 13 points by a good NY team.

The issue of better team, I bet if you asked the Philadelphia Eagles if they were a better team then the Oakland Raiders you would get a 100% yes out of every player on that team...however, the Eagles played their worst game of the season versus a team who happened to be playing one of their best that day...

I think where the confusion is I think you believe people are trying to take away from NY's victory and I myself do not believe that is the case. I still believe that Athens is the best team in the Ohio, but you better believe that I respect the heart NY showed in the 2nd half of that game to take it over and then put it away...they were the better team that night when it all was said and done...

Good Luck to All TVC Teams in the Final Week of Play!

[NYBUX]

The better team PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!


No excuses no blah blah blah on that given night they were the Best team PERIOD............

Put that in your "Liberals" pipe & smoke it........

.............GO BUCKEYES

[mr.dude2010]

lol its nice of the people at the asylum to let dilligaf have a computer.



nelsonville played a hell of a game and i have all the respect in the world for them for that but as someone else said athens played a bad game. if nelsonville played athens 10 times they would probably lose 7 or 8 of those times, but those 2 or 3 times where they would win happened to be when they played them. i think athens is a better team but nelsonville played a better game