Bengals and Browns should fold....

[85inside]

I think both of these franchises should be terminated by the league. The "new" Browns franchise has not been ran worth a nickle and everyone knows Mike Brown is a horrid owner. Today's Bengals game should show that they are the worse franchise in football today.

How about drop both of these franchises and put a new franchise in Columbus, Ohio.

[Orange and Brown]

I think both of these franchises should be terminated by the league. The "new" Browns franchise has not been ran worth a nickle and everyone knows Mike Brown is a horrid owner. Today's Bengals game should show that they are the worse franchise in football today.

How about drop both of these franchises and put a new franchise in Columbus, Ohio.

There is no way they are worse than Oakland!!!!!!!

No matter how bad it gets you can always say, "well it could be worse. Al David could be our owner!!!!"

[mister b]

Not a Bengals fan, but at least they were in the game until the last 30 seconds.

Fluke ending to the game that can't be blamed on anyone other than bad luck.

But I do agree, new ownership in Cincy would help. Same can be said for Cleveland.

[ace63]

Now, Now it could be worse, We all could be lions fans. 0-17

[dazed&confused]

I would go the Green Bay model- get rid of the owner and let the community own the franchise.

[Space Cowboy]

I think both of these franchises should be terminated by the league. The "new" Browns franchise has not been ran worth a nickle and everyone knows Mike Brown is a horrid owner. Today's Bengals game should show that they are the worse franchise in football today.

How about drop both of these franchises and put a new franchise in Columbus, Ohio.

You could take the best of both teams and they would invent a new and improved way to choke And Jim Tressel could be hired to be the head coach, ensuring the last quarter choke.

[qualified101]

[sportsfan43]

I think both of these franchises should be terminated by the league. The "new" Browns franchise has not been ran worth a nickle and everyone knows Mike Brown is a horrid owner. Today's Bengals game should show that they are the worse franchise in football today.

How about drop both of these franchises and put a new franchise in Columbus, Ohio.

yep, they showed how bad they really was today

[ace63]

They WON !!!! Guess someones comements were wrong . Eating crow must be hard. Just swallow with a little water will help.

[qualified101]

neither team will get above .500 this year.

[ace63]

Speak for your own team. Bengals is the youngest team with only 3.7 years nfl experience. I think the packers were picked to go to superbowl this year. Who-dey baby. There looking good for years to come.

[qualified101]

I think the packers were picked to go to superbowl this year.

sorry, packers weren't even top ten material. try again.
these odds were before the season started. the odds are vegas, the commentary is just opinion.

http://www.docsports.com/current/super- ... -odds.html


New England (8/1) - The most public of teams is, yet again, the early favorite to win it all. This is truly a sucker's bet. They have a new front office, a new offensive coordinator, uncertainty at quarterback, age all over the field, and some pretty significant personnel questions to address. If there chances are truly better than everyone else's, then I pity the rest of the teams.

Dallas (9/1) - This makes New England look like a bargain. They have a quarterback who hasn't ever won anything, a coaching mess, serious lineup issues, and their owner seems determined to make his team the world's most expensive circus. They could win it all, but I certainly wouldn't want my bankroll to rest on it happening.

Pittsburgh (10/1) - This one makes more sense than the others so far. They have obviously proven they can do it, and their core should remain reasonably intact.

New York Giants (10/1) - One word - Ridiculous. The way they finished this year showed just how lucky they got last year. I'm not saying that they are hopeless, but they certainly don't belong this high. Making this bet means trusting Eli Manning. That's just stupid.

Indianapolis (12/1) - Too many questions here. We don't know how the coaching change is going to work out, or how healthy Manning is going to be, or how they are going to fill the eventual, inevitable gap at wide receiver. They weren't nearly good enough this year, and at this point it is hard to see how they will be better next year.

San Diego (12/1) - Right now we don't know what will happen at running back, and Norv Turner is still in charge. That's two reasons not to be optimistic.

Baltimore (14/1) - Do you believe in the sophomore jinx? Joe Flacco will be another year older, but will he be better? And will Ray Lewis still be around? There is a lot to like about this team, but there are just as many questions.

Tennessee (16/1) - I don't like the Titans at this price at all. I don't trust either of their quarterbacks, and I don't yet see how they are going to improve significantly over this year.

Carolina (18/1) - I was seduced by Carolina for much of this year, but they absolutely have to do something about Jake Delhomme, and I won't even think about touching them until I see what that is. I think Byron Leftwich would be a very nice fit here.

Philadelphia (18/1) - We don't yet know that Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid will be happy next year, or that McNabb will be remotely healthy. Health questions exist for Brian Westbrook as well. That being said, this team does a good job of consistently getting close, so there are certainly worse bets.

New Orleans (20/1) - The Saints are fun to watch, but I am not convinced that they will ever do anything meaningful. They still don't play defense, and Reggie Bush is a giant question. I don't know what the problem is, but there needs to be a lot of changes.

Atlanta (25/1) - This price is as fair as any, I guess. Matt Ryan needs to prove he can be as strong his second time around the league. Same goes for Michael Turner. And their division isn't going to get any easier next year. The price indicates that they are a contender, though, and that's more or less what they are.

Denver (25/1) - Here's a first year coach who has to make some serious changes on both sides of the ball. I think he'll make some progress, but one year isn't enough here.

Green Bay (25/1) - I think that the Packers we saw in the second half of the season were closer to reality than the ones we saw in the first half. That doesn't make this price very attractive.

Jacksonville (25/1) - I am willing to give them a total mulligan for this horrible year. I still like a lot of what they have in place. If they can get healthy and stay that way then this could be a very nice price.

Minnesota (25/1) - If they aggressively address their QB situation then I would be very intrigued by this team. The status quo does nothing for me, though.

New York Jets (25/1) - I really don't like this team with Favre at the helm, but the alternative isn't exactly compelling, either. I like the coaching change a lot, but the new regime will need time.

Arizona (30/1) - If Anquan Boldin sticks around, they find a good way to replace Edgerrin James, and, most importantly, Kurt Warner returns then this isn't a terrible price. They have the advantage of playing in a lousy division again.

Chicago (30/1) - Like so many other teams in the league, their future depends strongly on what they do with their QB situation. If they make a serious change, and beef up a few other problem areas then they could be a decent choice. In their current form I wouldn't touch them.

Tampa Bay (30/1) - I feel like a broken record - they need to figure out their QB situation (though unlike many teams, I think they have a workable solution in Jeff Garcia if they commit to it), and they have a first-year coach who is short on experience. They have a solid base, though, so this price seems more than reasonable.

Buffalo (35/1) - The last decade has taught me never to trust this team - they are seductive heartbreakers. I won't get fooled again.

Houston (35/1) - The Texans have been about to break through for the last three or four years. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't have any reason to think that this year will be any different. They have some nice pieces, but things just aren't quite right.

Miami (35/1) - This one hedges on whether Chad Pennington can have another solid year. This price is perhaps the best one on the board, though.

Washington (35/1) - The Redskins have been an expensive disaster throughout the Dan Snyder era, and the smart money is not on that changing this year.

Seattle (50/1) - Their coaching change should be smoother than most because the replacement has been in place for more than a year. Mora has a lot of problems to solve, though. That being said, this is a better longshot team than any other at this price or higher.

Cleveland (55/1) - A new coach, a new head office, all sorts of quarterback questions, and attitude problems galore in the dressing room. The only absolute certainty is that their left tackle is as good as any.

Cincinnati (60/1) - The day that I support a Marvin Lewis-led team is the day after a pig flies around the world.

San Francisco (60/1) - I have a bit of a blind spot for this team, but even I can't call them a serious contender next year. They go through offensive coordinators like some guys go through underwear. Until they have something that is proven to work, and they can decide on a QB to run it, they aren't worth a look. Not this year, but hopefully next year.

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Oakland (75/1) - Tom Cable was uninspiring as an interim coach. As a full time choice he is truly depressing. Way too many problems on this squad from the front office on down.

St. Louis (75/1) - If you are actually thinking about making this bet, just send the cash to me instead. This team has very little to build upon.

Detroit (100/1) - I'm not going to waste my time or yours by bothering to acknowledge this possibility.

Kansas City (100/1) - Compared to the Lions they are incredibly attractive at this price. That's not saying much, though. I don't hate the long-term future of this team, but that future isn't now.

[ace63]

The superbowl is between the nfc and the afc. take out the afc and there at the top . thanks for pointing that out.

[qualified101]

honestly do you think before you post or just wing it?

new england-afc
dallas-nfc
pittsburgh-afc
new york giants-nfc
indianapolis-afc
san diego-afc
baltimore-afc
tennessee-afc
carolina-nfc
philadelphia-nfc
new orleans-nfc
atlanta-nfc
denver-afc
green bay-nfc

ok, by my math they would have been 7th in the nfc. far from the top. one could argue that the packers are better than carolina but not as good as minnesota so they would cancel each other out. green bay's defense is terrible as evidenced by giving up 31 to cincinnati. try again.

[OZZIEOHIO]

neither team will get above .500 this year.

With Quinn in there Cleveland wont win a game this year.

[qualified101]

agreed

[ace63]

honestly do you think before you post or just wing it?

new england-afc
dallas-nfc
pittsburgh-afc
new york giants-nfc
indianapolis-afc
san diego-afc
baltimore-afc
tennessee-afc
carolina-nfc
philadelphia-nfc
new orleans-nfc
atlanta-nfc
denver-afc
green bay-nfc

ok, by my math they would have been 7th in the nfc. far from the top. one could argue that the packers are better than carolina but not as good as minnesota so they would cancel each other out. green bay's defense is terrible as evidenced by giving up 31 to cincinnati. try again.

Where was green bay last year and where was cinci .