For all of you LeBron haters............

[farmer]

Dean if you watched the Boston series you would have seen LeBron QUIT. LeBron is the best all around talent but not the best player in the NBA.

[Charge]

LeBron has already threw his new coach under the bus after getting beat by Boston again. It was the coach's fault for playing him and Wade to many minutes. Pierce said after the game he was happy to bring his talents to South Beach,that was funny punking LeBron.

[gymrat88]

Every time I read the replies to this thread I just have to sit back an laugh.

[Charge]

I have to sit back and laugh when I look at Miami and Cleveland's record and they both have 4 L's.

[91blue14]

lebron just needs to be quiet and play ball

[gymrat88]

And I will again have to sit back and laugh when at the end of the year it will be Celtics and Heat in the Eastern Conference Finals and the Fighting Dan Gilberts will be fishing in Lake Erie after winning around 30 games.

[Charge]

I bet Boston hopes it is the Heat they play in the ECF, that would be a sweep for the Celtics.

[farmer]

I would not bet that Miami will be in the playoffs. Wade has been hurt off and on the last few years. As well as this year going thur the custody of his kids been wearing on his mind.
Miami is a collection of players that the top 3 get most of the money for the team. With LeBron already getting on the head coach.Because LeBron has to have someone to blame it on without saying it is his fault. Some think Riley will come back to coach but it was his health that kept him from coaching every game before. His health maybe better but the stress of trying to coach this team would not be easy on him.

[bucksfan76]

I Dont think is Lebrons Fault,I think people need to be looking a D-wade he had 8 point this last game against boston and not to many more in the first meeting. I think he is overrated and cant score at will when he plays good defensive teams like lebron can. Lebron has played good against boston and good this season. But who care if they break the alltime record or not,just make the playoffs and go from there.

[Charge]

I Dont think is Lebrons Fault,I think people need to be looking a D-wade he had 8 point this last game against boston and not to many more in the first meeting. I think he is overrated and cant score at will when he plays good defensive teams like lebron can. Lebron has played good against boston and good this season. But who care if they break the alltime record or not,just make the playoffs and go from there.

No its not his fault, he already said it was the coach's fault for playing him and D. Wade too much. Could you see Jordan , Bird or any of the great NBA players crying about the coach playing them too much, they would be mad if they didn't play them. I can see the Heat making the playoffs, cause in the east a team with a losing record usually makes it, but I don't see them going very far. LeBron has already cut Bosh out, it is me and D Wade. They won't go very far not playing as a team and LeBron won't get to call the shots like he did in Cleveland.

[dazed&confused]

Lebron is already doing what no one else could....destroying his own brand. Every time TV shows him pouting following another loss, it just adds fuel to the fire. Again, not a Lebron hater; I never bought into the hype to begin with. Boston will always own him! Go Celtics!

[gymrat88]

gahs you are borderline hateful with this guy. If you are going to hate LeBron for his one hour show, then you also have to hate ESPN, Jim Gray, LeBron's agents, the boys and girls club of Greenwich, Connecticut, and all the people who tuned in if you are so against the morality of the show, because they all had a hand in it as well as LeBron. ESPN didn't have to agree to air it, and Jim Gray didn't have to agree to do the interview. You keep saying LeBron needs to shut up when you yourself have talked more smack on this thread than LeBron has in his entire career. This issue was basically dead, but you and your obvious hate for this guy continues to bring stuff up. So therefore in a weeks when the Heat are prospering and the Cavs are struggling and when in a few years the Heat have multiple championships and Gilbert has 0, I will just have to get back on this thread that will most likely be sitting idle and run my mouth.

[farmer]

LeBron is in the top 5 in the NBA in one stat category this year. He is #4 in turnovers.

This crap about it takes time to learn to play together that is why they had training camp at a Military Base. Yes some were injured then D Wade took some time off. When you look at Championship teams many times the bench players will win big games during the playoffs. Which Miami does not have. This is a team game without a good mix of players.

LeBron complaining about playing to much. Maybe he should give back some of his money to get some descent bench players.

[Charge]

gahs you are borderline hateful with this guy. If you are going to hate LeBron for his one hour show, then you also have to hate ESPN, Jim Gray, LeBron's agents, the boys and girls club of Greenwich, Connecticut, and all the people who tuned in if you are so against the morality of the show, because they all had a hand in it as well as LeBron. ESPN didn't have to agree to air it, and Jim Gray didn't have to agree to do the interview. You keep saying LeBron needs to shut up when you yourself have talked more smack on this thread than LeBron has in his entire career. This issue was basically dead, but you and your obvious hate for this guy continues to bring stuff up. So therefore in a weeks when the Heat are prospering and the Cavs are struggling and when in a few years the Heat have multiple championships and Gilbert has 0, I will just have to get back on this thread that will most likely be sitting idle and run my mouth.

I know I can't stand Jim Gray, for what he tried to do to Pete Rose. JG is a little weasel. If LeBron really wanted to help the girls and boys club, he should have wrote them a check. He used them for an excuse to get on tv and talk about himself in the third person. He never gave them one penny out of his own pocket. LeBron is already starting to worry about coming to Cleveland, trying to back track how he would do things different. ESPN has became more about entertainment then sports, so yea I expected it out of them. Gymrat88 if someone employed you and gave you millions of dollars and the fans all backed you, wouldn't you have the decency to tell them you were going to work some where else?

[gymrat88]

I understand where you guys are coming from and if it would have been me, no I wouldn't have done the show, I don't think many people would have. I would have made a call to Dan Gilbert, and I would have called ESPN to tell them where I was headed. But, also keep in mind LeBron never got recruited to come to college, and this was like the one chance for him to get recruited. Many times athletes coming out of high school will play in All Star games and then you will see them with the three hats on the table and they will make their decision public then. This was that moment for LeBron during his show. I agree that he has a big ego and can be cocky, but it just comes with the territory in terms of incredible athletes.

And gahs, I also agree that the best thing LeBron could do would be to keep quiet and play Basketball. The recent commercial in my eyes was fine, but he needs to back all of this up on the court and I think over time, he will do that. I also hope that fans in Cleveland can forgive and forget and think about all of the good years LeBron gave them and not think about the 1 bad series he gave them. I also hope that the city acts with class and dignity on December 2nd and does not embarrass themselves. The best thing for the Heat, Cavs, and all parties involved with this LeBron fiasco is to just move on and play the game.

[farmer]

Gymrat you just gave him an excuse for his actions for the 1 hour show. That is all good but he is a Professional Basketball player now. Not coming out of high school. His choice instead of college was to declare for the draft. That was his choice then. He gave up the right to be recruited by schools and all of that comes with it. LeBron is now a Professional getting paid very well as a Professional. His one hour screw Cleveland Show showed he was very unprofessional. He would mainly talk about himself in the third person. He made it clear after that he grew up hating Cleveland and even when he played there he didn't like Cleveland. So that goes against what he said about not having made up his mind.

Now to believe that the Heat will get things worked out and get a ring. That is wishful thinking much like people thought about the Vikings this year with Farve coming back. This Heat team has not earned anything yet on the floor this year. Then the Professional Basketball player LeBron was unprofessional with his remarks on his coach. Maybe LeBron is figuring out that the grass is not greener on the other side of the fence. When the Big 3 spreads their fertilizer starts to make that grass turn to a brown color instead of green.

[gymrat88]

And you know what farmer, if he wasn't the best player to ever play in the City and if he wasn't worth so much money to the franchise and the downtown area, then you and nobody else would have talked about him "screwing Cleveland". He never publically said anything derogatory about the city. He made a business decision, and pro sports is a business. You and others who share your opinion on the issue act like this was a break-up between lovers. It's professional sports, whether we like the way it is run or not, it is entertainment and a business and LeBron has surely succedded in the entertainment part.

[farmer]

- James explained he's always had an uneasy relationship with Cleveland because he's from Akron, a half-hour away. ''It's not far, but it is far,'' James said. ''And Clevelanders, because they were the bigger-city kids when we were growing up, looked down on us. ... So we didn't actually like Cleveland. We hated Cleveland growing up. There's a lot of people in Cleveland we still hate to this day.''

That doesn't seem very pleasing toward Cleveland or the people in Cleveland. That is why it is also very hard to believe LeBron that he just made up his mind the day of his hour long show.

Gymrat you say he made a professional decision but he made it in a very umprofessional way.He or his people never even returned a phone call to Cleveland after the Boston series. He could have atleast listened. If LeBron was a professional he would not have made the comments about his coach in Miami. You look at him and his talent that he can say or do anything he wants.LeBron did not succede in the entertainment part in Cleveland when he got paid and took off games in the Boston series.

Right now is LeBron succeding in Miami? LeBron has turned more people away from him and his talents on the floor because of many of his selfish ways. LeBron is succeding in being #4 in the NBA in turnovers.

[gymrat88]

Well as you quoted they "looked down" on the Akron residents. So naturally if somebody looks down on you, you generally don't think to kindly of them either. And if I was LeBron I would surely hate them now after they went from praising him to posting racial slurs on his Twitter.

[farmer]

Gymrat you said he never put Cleveland down. I give you a statement he made so you then skip over that to something else. So that you can make up an excuse for his actions. You want to say Miami will win with LeBron. So deal with what LeBron said about his head coach now. It is a long season but just because they have talent does not get them to win big.

Make up all the excuses you want LeBron and his actions are thought about by many much as people think of Randy Moss is in the NFL.