ERIC MANGINI

[dazed&confused]

I think what governs this decision more now is momentum. It was said his players play hard for him but the last few games have seen a stall and the offense is just putrid. Holmgren will demand huge changes on the offensive side and Mangini may not be able to accept them. Holmgren has an opening to make a change with a coach of his own choosing.

[dazed&confused]

Oh and then there is this... 5-11 is now a very likely possibility.

[thirtyonetrap]

Personally, I can see Jon Gruden in Cleveland. He is a west coast coach who was born and raised in ohio.

[dazed&confused]

I fear that by next Monday the axe is going to fall on Mangini.

As a Browns fan who has had to endure so many turnovers in coaches and front offices in the last 11 years, the thought of starting over again just tears me apart. Im getting too old for this crap, and one of the side effects of the turnover of head coach will almost certainly be a corresponding turnover in the rest of the coaching staff, including Ryan.

The Browns roster, while certainly much better than two years ago, is NOT on a par with the Steelers or Ravens so until the team gets even better, what chance do they have at the playoffs?

I cant help but remember back in the mid 90s when given a choice between Cowher (a former Browns player and current Browns position coach) and Belichick, Modell chose Belichick who alienated everyone in town from the word go, and even though he made strides with the Browns, the city never accepted him. He went to Baltimore but was replaced by Billick and you know how that worked out for him in New England.

I cant help but think Mangini will land on his feet and use this experience to become an even better head coach somewhere else, which will relegate the Browns franchise to a farm system for developing NFL head coaches.

Can you sense my frustration?

Yes, I can my friend, but remember two names- Holmgren and Heckert. Managini never fit the mold that was cast AFTER he was hired so this turnover was inevitable. Mangini's only draft was a bust. He did get some effort out of his players but who is to say some other coach with the confidence of management would not do the same or better? If you take out the two over-acheiving wins against New Orleans and New England, you can't really say much about the rest of the season. Look at the other wins-anything earth-shaking there? My biggest concern is do we stay with a 3-4 defense or go to a 4-3? We would be wise to (maybe) keep the defensive staff intact and go with a new regime at the other end. Not that I'm giving Rob Ryan a vote of confidence but that side of the ball is OK for now. But there will be a new coach. It's the office structure and not the sideline I am more concerned about right now.

[OZZIEOHIO]

I just posted this on another thread but, Keep Mangini and get a new OC and we will be fine. Hire Charley Wies before Floridia does.

Our defense allowed I think just around 21 points a game the third or fourth best in the NFL.

[Steely Dan]

Mangini deserves another season, in my opinion. Hopefully, he'll get a chance to continue what he's started.

[dazed&confused]

He's gone after this terrible flop today and the team fading down the stretch.

[OZZIEOHIO]

I agree go ahead and get it over with today was the worst Browns game I have ever seen.