Vinton County Girls- U turn?

[teach123]

Barlow,

I disagree with a lot you have to say but this time i have to agree. Local AAU teams are usually coached by dads or those who are trying to relive their own HS days. I think of the late higher is why Vinton County has the coach they have!

[chsballn]

Barlow,

I disagree with a lot you have to say but this time i have to agree. Local AAU teams are usually coached by dads or those who are trying to relive their own HS days. I think of the late higher is why Vinton County has the coach they have!

AAU is not about coaches, it is about talent and college exposure. Do you think college coaches take time out of their season to watch high school games. No ! They are at AAU tournaments throughout the country in the summer watching kids from all over on their prospect list. AAU teams have 5 talented players on the court. High school usually has 1, 2 if lucky, and 3 if they have hit the jackpot. A high school team plays teams that have the same or lower amount of talent. AAU plays teams that they face that has 5 or even bench deeper talent. It is not about the coach in AAU, it is about EXPOSURE ! It's how they play against talent that puts them on a prospect/recruiting list. Don't get me wrong, high school kids that has talent and does not play AAU, can still get looks, but they better have a high school coach that knows how to sell a kid to college recruiters.

I love high school sports ! I love to watch high school sports ! AAU is a grade up on HS with talent per game. But keep in mind coaches win with talent, it's the years that they dont have talent that a coach should be ranked by. Any coach can win with talent most of the time its when the cupboard is bare is when you can see how strong he or she really is. Can a improvement been seen from the first of the year to the end of the year. Yes, VC has shown some !

[chsballn]

Sour grapes? No problem with Warren...Especially since Jackson has pretty handily carried that rivalry in the League against them. In pretty much ALL sports, not just girls basketball. :122245

Last 4 years, Warren has won more than they have lost in girls basketball with Jackson, they have owned the all-time series. Boys basketball? you can count on your fingers the number of Jackson wins the past 20 years. Baseball Jackson has had recent success, same with softball. Warren owns the Ironmen in Volleyball, CC, Track, wrestling. If you are going to troll, at least have some basic facts at your disposal.

Bandit, don't i remember you saying that the SEOAL trophy for Girls basketball was already in the mail to Vincent ? What happen ? It looks like your cupboard is getting bare in the future.

Jackson13, it looks like your girls basketball in on the down swing. can your star freshman carry a empty cupboard the next 3 years ? Can your coach produce some talent with hard work ? As far as volleyball, WEAK, Jackson has a lot of talent, but no coaching or staff. in fact didn't your school get rid of him as a basketball coach ? Football ! No one better around with the SEO area exception of Athens, and how soon will they putter out.

In all, I hope Jackson and Warren gets into a league together as it makes a good rival situation ! I do get a laugh out of your threads..

Good Luck to Jackson and Warren in the sectionals....

[86LancerLover]

The trophy is there for Warren's grabbing! 1 game out with one to play. I believe!!!!

[noreply66]

The trophy is there for Warren's grabbing! 1 game out with one to play. I believe!!!!

They should have two....Portsmouth and Logan

[86LancerLover]

You really going to count Portsmouth as a game?

[noreply66]

Why not........... do you think they might beat you?

[Sid Farkus]

Barlow,

AAU is not about coaches, it is about talent and college exposure. Do you think college coaches take time out of their season to watch high school games. No ! They are at AAU tournaments throughout the country in the summer watching kids from all over on their prospect list.

Really? Someone may want to inform the coaches from Ball State, Xavier, Dayton and Ohio University about that because I saw all those schools watching a player from Southeastern earlier his season.

[Pol pot]

Barlow,

AAU is not about coaches, it is about talent and college exposure. Do you think college coaches take time out of their season to watch high school games. No ! They are at AAU tournaments throughout the country in the summer watching kids from all over on their prospect list.

Really? Someone may want to inform the coaches from Ball State, Xavier, Dayton and Ohio University about that because I saw all those schools watching a player from Southeastern earlier his season.

You are exactly right, that is a darn myth perpetuated by those who want mommy and daddy's $1,000 fee. There are some quality AAU out there, but the vast majority of that stuff is crap!

[chsballn]

Farkus,
You saw Brady Sallee, Bob Bolden, Jim Jabir, and Brian Neal at Southeastern ?

[chsballn]

Pot,

So you say AAU is crap ? So in other words that is why Division 1 coaches such as Motta, Calipari go to the ESPN complex in Orlando. They go there to see Mickey and not AAU basketball talent since it is crap just wanting parents $1000. LMAO

[chsballn]

Pot & farkus

The kid they were suppose to be there and watch. She play AAU.

[Pol pot]

Between the lines:, YOU are the one who stated that DI coaches do not attend or spend their time at High School games, (IN YOUR VERY 1st POST ON THIS THREAD) that is all I was commenting on, as I strongly disagree with that comment as I see DI coaches at High School games all the time, on both the Boys and the Girls side.

Yes, these coaches also attend the elite AAU Tournaments, but for each "elite" showcase like Vegas, there at least 3 dozen crap ones that struggle to get bad DIII schools. And you pulled out as an example one of the "elite" AAU tournaments, how many Thad Motta's you seen at Rio Grande, Parkersburg South, or any other of the nickel and dime events many of these kids play in? In fact of all the kids who you know in the area who play AAU, how many are DI caliber kids and have been watched by those coaches you mention?

[chsballn]

Between the lines:, YOU are the one who stated that DI coaches do not attend or spend their time at High School games, (IN YOUR VERY 1st POST ON THIS THREAD) that is all I was commenting on, as I strongly disagree with that comment as I see DI coaches at High School games all the time, on both the Boys and the Girls side.

Yes, these coaches also attend the elite AAU Tournaments, but for each "elite" showcase like Vegas, there at least 3 dozen crap ones that struggle to get bad DIII schools. And you pulled out as an example one of the "elite" AAU tournaments, how many Thad Motta's you seen at Rio Grande, Parkersburg South, or any other of the nickel and dime events many of these kids play in? In fact of all the kids who you know in the area who play AAU, how many are DI caliber kids and have been watched by those coaches you mention?

Sounds like someone had a bad experience with AAU ! Just like high school basketball not every kid is cut out for it ! Same way with AAU !

[Pol pot]

It was your own words, that started this, you clearly stated that DI coaches, do not attend HS games or recruit from High Schools, that is simply false.

[chsballn]

It was your own words, that started this, you clearly stated that DI coaches, do not attend HS games or recruit from High Schools, that is simply false.

[teach123]

Between the Lines,

You referred to kids playing AAU as "student Athletes." AAU is not school related therefore they are simply pay to play athletes and not student athletes. As a retired teacher, I am not going to buy your AAU sales pitch. As I stated earlier, I was talking about local AAU programs. IMO, AAU has caused a lot of the problems we have with high school athletics!

[chsballn]

Between the Lines,

You referred to kids playing AAU as "student Athletes." AAU is not school related therefore they are simply pay to play athletes and not student athletes. As a retired teacher, I am not going to buy your AAU sales pitch. As I stated earlier, I was talking about local AAU programs. IMO, AAU has caused a lot of the problems we have with high school athletics!

I'm not trying to sell anything, it's here whether we like it or not ! It is what it is. I'm a retired administrator, coach & referee and have seen pay to play in high school. It is a sign of our times.

Have you had a child play on a AAU team ?

I'm interested in hearing what problems that you feel AAU has caused in H.S. sports ? I'm not saying i'm a firm pro for AAU, but like I said its here and it is what it is.

[anderson2012]

So this is pretty interesting, and I'm going to preface that I think there is some truth but also wrong with the preceding post. I say this is interesting because an argument can be made that a nonzero number of these claims would definitely ring true for girls basketball which I'd agree with, but not boys basketball.

AAU basketball offers more to the student athlete than just being on the high school basketball team. AAU basketball programs run like small corporations. These programs have presidents, treasurers, trainers, and many coaches.

The presidents and treasurers aren't offering anything to the "student-athlete" than making sure their club team doesn't fall in the red and avoids legal trouble, if such an unlikely case were to arise.

All of these programs are non-profit and bring in many donations. The part of AAU basketball that I can see that's fun for the players is the traveling. Many of the programs are going to tournaments all over the country and players are staying at hotels, eating at good restaurants all the time and are doing things kids like to do. AAU basketball is fun and there's more parental involvement.

So I'm not going to disagree that this is true, because kids do like being kids and maximizing a travel experience by eating at good restaurants and staying at cool hotels, but this isn't necessarily pertinent to developing a basketball player so much as it is offering a cool thing for a kid to be a part of.

The AAU players have greater advantages that high school teams don't. During your high school season you play 20 or so games with teams in your community which means you get on the school bus and travel to another school to play. There are no hotels or places to eat after the game like you would get during the AAU season and there is no travel.

I don't think there are many kids that are upset that their school ball experience doesn't incorporate regular three hour drives. Especially considering this is a southern Ohio forum, I think the fact games are relatively close work best in the student-athlete's interest since kids get hours of homework daily nowadays. As for place to eat, I guess this really varies on a community-by-community basis. I'm sure there are lots of kids on teams that like to kick it at a local wing joint with their girlfriends and parents on a Friday or Saturday night game. But during the week?

During the AAU season you have a different coach and sometimes and entirely different group of coaches. Other major advantages I see are recruiting good players to the AAU program whereas in high school, you're stuck with the players who go to that school.
Recruiting is a big deal these days. College coaches want to see as many players in one place, at one time and you can't really do that during the high school basketball season.

The entirely different group of coaches may not be an advantage. Kids are impressionable, for better or for worse. Playing under three or four different coaches in school ball over the course of four years (assuming a kid does two years JV, counting the jv coach in this equation, two varsity and there is a change in coaching at least once) is a fine enough number for kids. Some of these coaches are teachers, youth pastors, or just guys that do it for the kids. I suppose with AAU coaches you get coaches that are more experienced and well-tuned in the game by the age of 40 than your traditional JV coach, and that's a fine point I can concede, but the player-relationship aspect is pivotal and I don't think the idea of playing for someone new all the time best fits many families.

At some of the AAU events there are hundreds of teams with thousands of players. It would make sense for college recruiters to attend because it's much easier to see all of the good players in one place. College coaches can see these players play many games during the length of a tournament and it is a great advantage to the players of these AAU basketball programs.

As someone else mentioned, it depends on what level the student-athlete is aiming for. It's probably best determined by the end of 10th grade judging by size (current and projected) , skills, and exposure whether junior is going D1, D2, NAIA, D3, or whatever is next (NCCSA?). Tangently, there is great variance between events that are held interstate versus more local showcases, and this ties into what team the kid gets on and what invitations said team gets. If you're on All-Ohio Red for example, your ticket is basically written for anywhere... assuming your grades are in check and you don't get picked up for something. If you're on a smaller-scale AAU team, such as a smaller organization then it's not a horrible thing at all, but you're probably playing on a Sunday at Rio Grande, Marietta, or near Columbus in a high school in front of a much smaller crowd.

AAU basketball players can play 40 to 50 games and there are many other perks that go along with that such as, players receiving free shoes and new uniforms. In high school, you are stuck with same old outdated jersey that's been worn a million times by many other players.

The "free shoes" is a cool deal because in my experience you're actually allowed to keep them, but the concept of them being free is farfetched since that money comes from somewhere and AAU isn't free... lol. The new uniforms I don't think matters to kids as much as you make it out to since there is no incentive to keep a jersey after the season. Regarding high school and uniforms, that's a part of being in any sport. I'm seeing more and more teams get new uniforms every three of four years so that's fine, and to keep costs down they just pass the old varsities down to the JV.

AAU programs also have power. When it comes to recruiting they have the most talented teams and players and college recruiters want to get to know these AAU coaches. College coaches can only get to these players by going through the AAU coaches. I've heard that some AAU coaches will say things like, "if you make a donation of $10,000 you can have access to my players". Now keep in mind, this is not illegal. AAU programs are non-profit and have to raise money somehow. College programs do make these types of donations and it's all good for everyone.

Correct.

Back in the day and not that long ago, some high school coaches would try to ruin a high student athlete's chances of getting recruited for college but with the power of AAU basketball, you can't get over on players any more. The players now have more options and there's nothing wrong with options.

This doesn't seem logical and I'm not sure what your actual claim + evidence is.

The things that I'm hearing and seeing with AAU basketball is that some major college recruits are bypassing the high school basketball season altogether. If it's about recruiting and being seen then all you would have to do is only play AAU basketball. By only playing AAU basketball, you can still been seen by a greater number of college coaches and I think it would be a better advantage to play AAU basketball. The only downside I can really see is if you are an average basketball player and are not on a good AAU basketball program. Then, you would need the high school basketball season.

So this is the one point I really disagree with, and for good reason. So this is actually myth. While there may be kids in extreme and weird cases where going the AAU or "fake school" route work out for kids, such as Emmanuel Mudiay or Skal Labissiere, in talking to several college coaches and several "recruiting hoops analysts" the bolded statement is true in that some kids foolishly decide to do such a thing but it doesn't get them an upper hand in recruiting. In fact, I've heard multiple stories from several of the aforementioned friends that many coaches in the mid-major to lower NCAA levels scratch kids off their board if they see that they're not coming out and playing for their school. The reasoning is two-fold: 1) playing in college means playing for your school and playing with teammates. The image of "AAU-only" kids walking the halls past school-ball players doesn't sit well with prospective coaches. 2) the bigger concern, and this loosely ties with NCAA interest, is the eligibility concern - unless the student-athlete has like a 3.0+ and a good ACT, the coaches see a kid that hasn't demonstrated he can balance schoolwork and ball in an effort to stay eligible in the kid's high school athletic association's standards, his school's standards, and NCAA standards. Furthermore, there's question if the kid is on track to graduate.



I think AAU-only or AAU-stronger path appeals better with girls in the case that the student-athlete can demonstrate excellent grades and test scores and if they live in an area, such as the inner city or appalachia, where the school ball's opportunities are really poor. But with boys? No.

[Sid Farkus]

Farkus,
You saw Brady Sallee, Bob Bolden, Jim Jabir, and Brian Neal at Southeastern ?

The coaches were Taveras Jackson, OU, Shauna Greene, Dayton and Rachel Galligan from Ball State. If you want the head coaches numbers, you could probably get them from the girl's dad. She only played 1 season of aau in 7th grade, no exposure tourneys.