Region 9

[bman]

With the SEOAL down to four teams after Portsmouth leaves, it seems a little odd to see all the ribbing of Athens, which the SEOAL probably needs to comeback to survive. I see Athens and Marietta returning to the SEOAL to go back to six teams.

As far as the league vs. league crap - Teays Valley, which is currently seventh in the Mid-State League Buckeye Division, beat SEOAL champion Logan. :122245

[bman]

As for Athens, it's hard to say what it'll do. Athens has one of the best teams in SE Ohio, but we don't know quite how good because of the schedule. Gallia and Jackson have fallen off, which hurts that schedule. They could win a couple of games or be done after Week 11. Depends on matchups and the like.

[loganlocos]

With the SEOAL down to four teams after Portsmouth leaves, it seems a little odd to see all the ribbing of Athens, which the SEOAL probably needs to comeback to survive. I see Athens and Marietta returning to the SEOAL to go back to six teams.

As far as the league vs. league crap - Teays Valley, which is currently seventh in the Mid-State League Buckeye Division, beat SEOAL champion Logan. :122245

The MSL-Buckeye would blow away any league to the East by a wide margin from top to bottom. Athens is probably the best individual team (Trimble worth a shout too), but the top 3-4 teams in the MSL-Buckeye (Logan Elm, Circlville, Hamilton, Liberty Union) would probably beat everybody from the TVC-Ohio (besides Athens) or SEOAL.


I don't see Athens ever coming back to the SEOAL. Too many close drives and they will be among the favorites for league titles in every sport, boys or girls.

Its why the rest of the TVC-Ohio is desperate to cherry pick the remaining SEOAL teams to create a new division that gets Athens away from the core of the TVC-Ohio.

[Paladin]

Just so you know, Double -- My trophies and plagues still look great on the mantle in my family room. But here is the rub............ the All-SEOAL trophy I got as a player is DWARFED by the trophies my grandson got for PARTICIPATING in grade school football. I have one of the coaching plagues for winning a football league title that's smaller than my wife got for her BOWLING league. But the rest aren't bad, as a collection. Gathering dust to be sure. But, as I said, you know NOTHING about me. Trying to fake it just won't work for you . 8)

BTW, 93. Hows that overall record against the SEOAL doing these days ? For any of the TVC teams ( Athens included) ?

Region 9 playoffs ! Going to be a blast !

[doubleplay643]

Paladin wrote: "My trophies and plagues still look great on the mantle in my family room............ the All-SEOAL trophy I got as a player is DWARFED by the trophies my grandson got for PARTICIPATING in grade school football. I have one of the coaching plagues..."


There are no trophies for a spelling bee Paladin on your shelves.

Plaque with a Q oh great one.

But you are a plague with a G.

Most grown men don't have their awards still on display.

[Paladin]

And two college diplomas ( B.A. & Masters)

Hey, someone has to do it. 8)

[doubleplay643]

And two college diplomas ( B.A. & Masters)

Don't forget your:

Honorary Doctorate in Inflated Ego with a Minor in Who Gives a Crap, Magna Cum Laude

[93Bulldog]

Locos ... you may be right about the points this year ... but in 2011 Athens went (10-0) and Jackson went (10-0) and the Ironmen barely made the playoffs, while Athens was the No. 2 seed and hosted a game.

That numbers game can vary from year to year ... playing in the TVC had rewarded Athens with a 2 seed, a 3 seed and possibly a 1 seed this year ... you couldn't ask for anything more.

Athens and Meigs proved the difference between the 2 leagues on the field this season, buddy.

[93Bulldog]

Athens 62, Gallia 19
Athens 42, Warren 6
Athens 49, Jackson 0
Meigs 43, Warren 18

The TVC didn't just beat the SEOAL, they smoked them. The one game the SEOAL has to hang its hat on is the league champion beating a (4-5) Nelsonville-York team 14-12 ..... the same Nelsonville-York team that was blasted 47-6 by Meigs ... Wellston actually strolled into Buchtel two weeks after Logan and beat Nelsonville-York 19-16.

Paladin ... the TVC will be sending FIVE teams to the playoffs, 4 of which will most likely be hosting (Athens, Trimble, Wahama, Southern) - South Gallia will be on the road.

Small pond, weak league, whatever you want to call it - at least they get to keep playing. How many SEOAL teams will be playing week 11?

[loganlocos]

Locos ... you may be right about the points this year ... but in 2011 Athens went (10-0) and Jackson went (10-0) and the Ironmen barely made the playoffs, while Athens was the No. 2 seed and hosted a game.

That numbers game can vary from year to year ... playing in the TVC had rewarded Athens with a 2 seed, a 3 seed and possibly a 1 seed this year ... you couldn't ask for anything more.

Athens and Meigs proved the difference between the 2 leagues on the field this season, buddy.

You can't change the argument b/c you don't like the results. I responded to your comment about how poor the SEOAL is THIS season (2013).

And you can't have it both ways, my friend.

If its head to head that matters, then outside of this one season in which the SEOAL IS historically bad, you're going to lose going away.

Funny you mention 2011. I think that's the reason Jackson stopped playing Vinton County. They realized that they were giving away too many computer points. Jackson beat Ironton and St. Charles that year. Imagine replacing Vinton with Wheelersburg (or your Bulldogs) and you'd see Jackson hosting.

[loganlocos]

Athens 62, Gallia 19
Athens 42, Warren 6
Athens 49, Jackson 0
Meigs 43, Warren 18

The TVC didn't just beat the SEOAL, they smoked them. The one game the SEOAL has to hang its hat on is the league champion beating a (4-5) Nelsonville-York team 14-12 ..... the same Nelsonville-York team that was blasted 47-6 by Meigs ... Wellston actually strolled into Buchtel two weeks after Logan and beat Nelsonville-York 19-16.

Paladin ... the TVC will be sending FIVE teams to the playoffs, 4 of which will most likely be hosting (Athens, Trimble, Wahama, Southern) - South Gallia will be on the road.

Small pond, weak league, whatever you want to call it - at least they get to keep playing. How many SEOAL teams will be playing week 11?

Really picking and choosing your results, my friend.

You seem to have conveniently omitted:

Jackson 54, Wellston 18
Gallipolis 48, Vinton County 19

I believe that brings the season series to 3-4.

Athens, who is not only the class of the Ohio Division but the class of SE Ohio, had to has 3 of those 4 wins. No one in EITHER league is going to beat Athens this year, so they are the outlier.

Also, hardly fair to count playoff teams and include the Hocking Division. That gives the TVC 15 teams to the SEOAL's 5? I would HOPE they had more playoff teams having 3 times as many teams.

Since Athens plays in the Ohio Division, let's stick to the TVC Ohio. (6 teams vs 5 teams).

And subbing Belpre back into the Ohio in place of Athens, the TVC-Ohio goes 0-for the playoffs as well.

Is the TVC-Ohio stronger than the SEOAL? Yes, because they have Athens. But take the outlier (Athens) out and you have 10 teams that would be pretty competitive.

[93Bulldog]

You can't change the argument b/c you don't like the results. I responded to your comment about how poor the SEOAL is THIS season (2013).

I wasn't changing the argument.
I simply stated it varies from year to year. But just like I told Paladin earlier, harbin points, drew Pasteur projections and AP voting never tell the entire story.

[93Bulldog]

Athens, who is not only the class of the Ohio Division but the class of SE Ohio, had to has 3 of those 4 wins. No one in EITHER league is going to beat Athens this year, so they are the outlier.

Also, hardly fair to count playoff teams and include the Hocking Division. That gives the TVC 15 teams to the SEOAL's 5? I would HOPE they had more playoff teams having 3 times as many teams.

Since Athens plays in the Ohio Division, let's stick to the TVC Ohio. (6 teams vs 5 teams).

And subbing Belpre back into the Ohio in place of Athens, the TVC-Ohio goes 0-for the playoffs as well.

Is the TVC-Ohio stronger than the SEOAL? Yes, because they have Athens. But take the outlier (Athens) out and you have 10 teams that would be pretty competitive.

Athens is not an outlier and Belpre hasn't been in the Ohio for 3 years now.

The TVC-Ohio is what is: Athens, Meigs, Nelsonville-York, Wellston, Alexander and Vinton County.

* Had Meigs not been over the count by 6 boys, they would be in the playoffs right now.

[93Bulldog]

always enjoy debating issues, Locos ... its too bad the 'Dogs and Chieftains are no longer rivals.

BTW ... I know you've put on weight since you've got older ... but I'm still bigger and will put your scrawny bones in a sleeper hold the next time we cross paths!

just sayin

[loganlocos]

Athens is not an outlier and Belpre hasn't been in the Ohio for 3 years now.

The TVC-Ohio is what is: Athens, Meigs, Nelsonville-York, Wellston, Alexander and Vinton County.

* Had Meigs not been over the count by 6 boys, they would be in the playoffs right now.

Athens IS an outlier. I'm not talking about number of boys, I'm talking about results.

I know who is in the Ohio, my point was that neither the TVC-Ohio or the SEOAL have bathed themselves in glory. No one in either league can compete with Athens.

In 8 games against teams from the TVC-Ohio and the SEOAL, the closest games are a 42-6 win over Warren and a 48-12 win over Vinton County. THIRTY SIX points is the closest game. It's a compliment to your Bulldogs.

always enjoy debating issues, Locos ... its too bad the 'Dogs and Chieftains are no longer rivals.

BTW ... I know you've put on weight since you've got older ... but I'm still bigger and will put your scrawny bones in a sleeper hold the next time we cross paths!

just sayin

I'd atleast make you work at it now. And Athens is still a rival. You're just lucky your 'Dogs haven't played my Chiefs since 2007

[doubleplay643]

Region 9 Projections
1) Athens (The Plains) (10-0) 27.30
2) Marion-Franklin (Columbus) (9-1) 26.75
3) Dover (8-2) 23.21
4) Brookhaven (Columbus) (8-2) 22.73
5) Logan Elm (Circleville) (8-2) 21.90
6) Tri-Valley (Dresden) (8-2) 21.60
7) Chillicothe (9-1) 21.52
8 ) St Francis De Sales (Columbus) (6-3) 18.44

If this comes to fruition I see:
Athens over DeSales
Marion Franklin over Chillicothe
Dover over Tri Valley
Brookhaven over Logan Elm

Then:
Athens over Brookhaven
Marion Franklin over Dover (toss up)

Finally:
Sorry but Marion Franklin over Athens...

[The Oaf]

I learned my lesson on this 'perception', 'ranking of teams', 'strength of schedule' crap clear back in 2002.

Portsmouth West was an 8 seed in what you would have called a weak southeast region, Paladin. They head over to Zanesville to play Youngstown Ursuline in the final 4, who had Daryl Carter (Penn State) and Louis Izzary (Ohio State), and EVERYONE said West was going to get killed because (a) they played a weak schedule and their region was weak and (2) they were a southeast Ohio team playing one of the 'big dogs' from up north.

West ended up wining by a 13-7 margin. But I was their - and to this day I have yet to see a beat down like the one the Senators gave Ursuline that night. They basically physically punished that team from the opening kickoff until the final whistle blew.

And if Drew Pasteur was around back then, he probably would have had Ursuline winning something like 48-7. You can't judge a teams heart, toughness and will to win by sitting behind some darn computer.

Couple things: west was the #7 seed in the region. It was Daryl Clark, not Carter that started at QB for the Irish. They also had a stud TB named Delbert Ferguson I do believe. You are right about Ursuline being loaded that year with talent. They had a big fat goose egg on the board until 4 minutes to go in the game then West had to hold on in dramatic fashion for the win. Truly one of the best HS games I've ever seen in my life.

[TigerBacker#1]

Interesting that double sees Athens over Desales and the Haven. Hope he does not bet that way. My advice is keep your day job an ro0t hard for the Dawgs. Those two games are really swimming upstream. Some fish make it.

[loganlocos]

Region 9 Projections
1) Athens (The Plains) (10-0) 27.30
2) Marion-Franklin (Columbus) (9-1) 26.75
3) Dover (8-2) 23.21
4) Brookhaven (Columbus) (8-2) 22.73
5) Logan Elm (Circleville) (8-2) 21.90
6) Tri-Valley (Dresden) (8-2) 21.60
7) Chillicothe (9-1) 21.52
8 ) St Francis De Sales (Columbus) (6-3) 18.44
..

Think you're close. But I am picking new philly to beat Dover. Watched both of their games vs Zanesville and think the Quakers pull it out.

Haven't done the math to see how that changes the seeding.

[93Bulldog]

I would bet that way toldya.

Thanks Oak for the corrections. The West/Ursuline game was the best game I had been to - until I witnessed Athens come from behind win over Shawnee last fall - now its 2nd.




Thanks Locos for the New Philly prediction ... that game is in our picks contest and I was on the fence ... if the Quakers lose, I'm holding you responsible!