philbilly wrote:Should have stayed in the T, Ironton. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Ironton ran the T a lot till they got behind and had to pass and they actually moved the ball better with quick sets.
maniac, how bout the play where the ref on the Ironton side threw the flag...........and a touchdown followed.......I thought it kind of odd they were kicking the extra point with the flag still on the ground and no explanation or signal of why the flag was thrown......
Ironton has always been a school with big, tough, physical kids. They generally don't have a lot of speed, something you must have to run the spread. Te old man (Lutz) knew this. He did what you have to do at a school like Ironton to maximize the possibility of success.
There is nobody who posts here that knows more football than Coach Lutz. I just pointed out he had plenty of speed. Coach Lutz did it his way and did it better than anyone for many years. I saw his first win when my Brothers played for him at his alma mater(St.Joe)
Makes it tough when you are missing both your starting Linebackers and a SR Linemen on Defense, and that same Lineman, Starting FB and back up FB (who became the starter after the Russell game). We don't have the depth and experience this year. The bright side is, they are getting that experience this year which will bode well for the future.
You can't have that many turn overs in a game and allow so many big plays for TD's and expect a win. The Offense had 300 + yards in the game.
I 'm agreeing with both sides of this discussion, nobody did it better than bob lutz----ohio high school's winningest football coach. but the T-bone was broken,to an extent and needed tweaked some. we had an amazing run. but the later years of the lutz era , became very predictable--------we ran the T-formation, nearly no passing, and ran up the middle. people loaded up the box with 11 and dared you to pass or get outside, and more often than not we accepted the dare , come heck or high water. what a lot of people don't realize about ironton's domination for decades was not only the best coach, but a superior weight program to most. now everybody has this, the start programs and such.i said when coach vass took the job, that he would be successful if he did not try to reinvent the wheel.
we had to stick with what got us to the dance, but be much less predictable, conditioning is a big issue for the tigers in my opinion, the last say 5 years.the domination of huge linemen and workman type backs has dropped off some. and I heard last that all season in practice we are not tackling-----no tackling, we are ''bucking up'' in practice. and it is showing in games. we graduated 21 seniors I think last year , and have nearly 20 frosh this year.but I don't know how you cannot tackle during practice all week. and expect to have that skill honed on Friday. I hear other teams are doing this as well. ------I promise you, this will not work. the formations and schemes have changed but football fundamentals have not changed.i hope this is because of lack of depth, and limited upperclassmen players.because I never see this working out. but I think fighting tiger football will be fine, we'll take our lumps this year. ---------ironton has to be patient. we are d5 now, and only missed d6 by I think 6 boys.-------there is a lot less kids to pick from. I've long admired ironton amazingly tough schedules and hope they continue, but in down years, like this year. and add to that depth injuries , missing a half dozen starters, somethings gotta give.------------BUT IT'S STILL IRONTON FIGHTING TIGER FOOTBALL.---------people need to realize Chesapeake, wheelersburg, piketon -----------teams like that now have more boys -piketon has the same amount as us 162 boys.--------you gotta brealk eggs to make an omelette.
being d5 for the fighting tigers is a whole horse of a color than being Columbus bishop Hartley, or a Youngstown ursiline high school
and Johnson central ky. is a club team. we'll take some lumps n give some.plus Johnson central is an entire county.
I look for raceland and oak hill to be very tough tests as well. we still have like:
Portsmouth
Johnson central, ky.
Columbus saint Charles
Columbus bishop Hartley
oak hill
raceland
I think our best chance right now are with Portsmouth, oak hill , and raceland.i say at least 8 of ironton's opponents will be playoff teams.
urban buck wrote:The sophmore back for Ashland was impressive.
Baker was awesome as a Freshman starting Varsity last year. He had 932 yards on 123 carries and 16 TD's through 7 games before he was injured. He has right around 850 yards rushing through their first 5 games already this year.
urban buck wrote:What were his stats last night? Had to be over 200 yds on 10 or less carries.? He is just going to get better next year. Is Ashland QB soph or jr?
The Ashland paper had him with 11 carries for 228 yards, I think the QB is a JR
