10-0 and sitting home. Two NWO teams are doing just that.

[dpatty]

Gibsonburg in D6 and Northwood in D5. Two schools 20 minutes from each other.

As of about a half hour ago when I looked, Gibsonburg would have been 8th in R21, 5th in R22 and 3rd R24. Northwood would have been 5th in R17,19 and 20.

Not only that but they both would have been in for 3/4 regions in D1 and 2/4 in Division II.

First time since(IIRC) 2001 that an undefeated team has not been in the playoffs.

[Tjhtygeverve]

Really unfortunate!!!

[formerfcfan]

I believe Northwood’s situation is particularly horrible because supposedly their fate was sealed due to the OHSAA reversing a game decision against their favor involving Vienna Mathews.

[greygoose]

Sounds like they need to play each other if they're that close, that way there's some major points on the line. In Gibsonburg's region the #11 seed would've made it in 2 of the other 3 regions. They both played woodmore who went 0-10. Hate it for the kids as it's got to be tough going 10-0 and no shot in the playoffs but the AD and coach need to know when they've got to schedule better because Gibsonburg has been up for awhile now and should have at least a game or 2 against teams in higher division or higher quality in same division instead of dropping down to play multiple DVII schools.

[FIDO]

Id say both schools athletic directors, coaches and any other decision making person in the scheduling process needs to do some splainin'. Ya gotta play some competition if YOUR goal is to play week 11. This isn't OHSAA fault! As far as I know, you don't get extra credit for going 10-0.

[FANOSPORTS]

There are a lot of playoff teams that have10-0 and 9-1 records that go down yearly to teams with worse records because of conference and strength of schedule and these 2 would have been no different if they would have made it. At least this way they don't have to be involved in a lopsided loss in rd 1.

[mattash]

maybe expand playoffs?

[radiodavel]

Two 10-0 Teams To Miss OHSAA HS Football Playoffs
https://statelinesportsnetwork.net/2019 ... l-playoffs

Northwood joins Gibsonburg...

[portsmouth_98]

Region 23 is loaded, if you have an 8-2 MAC team sitting at 6th, it's gonna a long road to hoe for the average d6 team. Gibsonburg would be a playoff team in 18 of 28 regions. Given that they would only have home games in 1 region their size and the region below them i wouldn't call them harbin kings but I would venture to say that this is an outlier situation and that amount of points would normally lead to the playoffs.
D1 R2 #8, D1 R4 #6
d2 r5 #8, d2 r7 #7
d3 r10 #8
D4 r13 #5, d4 r14 #7, d4 r15 #8
D5 r17 #6, d5 r19 #6, d5 r20 #7
D6 r21 #8, d6 r22 #5, D6 r24 #3
D7 r25 #3, d7 r26 #2, d6 r27 #2, d6 r28 #3

[Otto]

Honestly, after looking at Northwood's schedule, it's their own fault (or at least the athletic director). That schedule is charmin soft. Almost like they wanted to avoid competition. No Div. V school should have four Div. VII schools on their schedule, and they have three Div. VI schools on there as well. When you have the #104 ranked strength of schedule (out of 107 schools for Div. V) and you miss the playoffs, you only have yourself to blame.

[Burg_Grad_77]

maybe expand playoffs?

I heard today from a pretty reliable source that plans are being discussed to do just that. They would take the top 12 in each region and the top 4 get a first week bye.

Not really sure about that myself. It would add another week to the playoffs and be playing into the second weekend of December.

[portsmouth_98]

I liked the doing away with regions idea even better. The way they had it figured out it would cut down on the worst teams getting in due to a weak region and it would cut down travel as you are matched up by distance. Only issue is it kind of throws out seeding advantages in the early round. You could be #1 playing #17 and #16 drawing #32, however if you are #1 in a monster region there is no guarantee that your first round match up is one of the 4 worst teams in the state anyway. I guess the benefit to #1 over #16 is you will continue to be considered a home seed and get a lower seed more often even if it's not always the very bottom.

[greygoose]

I liked the doing away with regions idea even better. The way they had it figured out it would cut down on the worst teams getting in due to a weak region and it would cut down travel as you are matched up by distance. Only issue is it kind of throws out seeding advantages in the early round. You could be #1 playing #17 and #16 drawing #32, however if you are #1 in a monster region there is no guarantee that your first round match up is one of the 4 worst teams in the state anyway. I guess the benefit to #1 over #16 is you will continue to be considered a home seed and get a lower seed more often even if it's not always the very bottom.

Yeah I'm not big on that idea at all, especially if you're doing it by distance. So you have 2 teams that are 10-0 but let's say they're 20 minutes apart and come in as the #4 and #6 seed but because they're the closest travel they draw each other in round 1?? Because that's how it sounds meanwhile you've got 2 teams ranked #25 and #30 that are 10 minutes apart draw each other because of travel distance?? Because if that's how I'm reading it then that isn't worth a flip and they can shove that where the sun don't shine. Regions are great, teams get to play for regional championships and it's beneficial for everyone involved. Is there some regions that get loaded down, yep going to happen and it comes in cycles. Teams know when they have good teams coming up and when they'll be have some high quality years if they didn't schedule accordingly to help that team then that's on the guys in charge. They went to 8 in order to help grab some of those teams that were on the cusp to get them in for a chance at the playoffs. Seems like doing away with Regions could also hinder teams based on their location as well. Maybe a SEO team doesn't get the points to make the top 32 because the AD didn't want to travel 2-3 hrs, 3 times a year in order to seek out the points needed and it benefits everyone above the 70 line once again.

[portsmouth_98]

I liked the doing away with regions idea even better. The way they had it figured out it would cut down on the worst teams getting in due to a weak region and it would cut down travel as you are matched up by distance. Only issue is it kind of throws out seeding advantages in the early round. You could be #1 playing #17 and #16 drawing #32, however if you are #1 in a monster region there is no guarantee that your first round match up is one of the 4 worst teams in the state anyway. I guess the benefit to #1 over #16 is you will continue to be considered a home seed and get a lower seed more often even if it's not always the very bottom.

Yeah I'm not big on that idea at all, especially if you're doing it by distance. So you have 2 teams that are 10-0 but let's say they're 20 minutes apart and come in as the #4 and #6 seed but because they're the closest travel they draw each other in round 1?? Because that's how it sounds meanwhile you've got 2 teams ranked #25 and #30 that are 10 minutes apart draw each other because of travel distance?? Because if that's how I'm reading it then that isn't worth a flip and they can shove that where the sun don't shine. Regions are great, teams get to play for regional championships and it's beneficial for everyone involved. Is there some regions that get loaded down, yep going to happen and it comes in cycles. Teams know when they have good teams coming up and when they'll be have some high quality years if they didn't schedule accordingly to help that team then that's on the guys in charge. They went to 8 in order to help grab some of those teams that were on the cusp to get them in for a chance at the playoffs. Seems like doing away with Regions could also hinder teams based on their location as well. Maybe a SEO team doesn't get the points to make the top 32 because the AD didn't want to travel 2-3 hrs, 3 times a year in order to seek out the points needed and it benefits everyone above the 70 line once again.

No, they would take #1 and they get a home game against the team from 17-32 closest to them and work down that way. In the 2nd round they would take the #1 and pair them with 9-16 closest. The benefit to #1 is you would always get the closest lower seed to you, the downside is that it may not be the lowest overall seed. As fans it would cut travel and make it more likely to see the best 2 teams in the finals but as you pointed out it would probably keep some seo teams out, especially in d6 and d7 where there aren't a lot of small school powerhouses.

[greygoose]

I liked the doing away with regions idea even better. The way they had it figured out it would cut down on the worst teams getting in due to a weak region and it would cut down travel as you are matched up by distance. Only issue is it kind of throws out seeding advantages in the early round. You could be #1 playing #17 and #16 drawing #32, however if you are #1 in a monster region there is no guarantee that your first round match up is one of the 4 worst teams in the state anyway. I guess the benefit to #1 over #16 is you will continue to be considered a home seed and get a lower seed more often even if it's not always the very bottom.

Yeah I'm not big on that idea at all, especially if you're doing it by distance. So you have 2 teams that are 10-0 but let's say they're 20 minutes apart and come in as the #4 and #6 seed but because they're the closest travel they draw each other in round 1?? Because that's how it sounds meanwhile you've got 2 teams ranked #25 and #30 that are 10 minutes apart draw each other because of travel distance?? Because if that's how I'm reading it then that isn't worth a flip and they can shove that where the sun don't shine. Regions are great, teams get to play for regional championships and it's beneficial for everyone involved. Is there some regions that get loaded down, yep going to happen and it comes in cycles. Teams know when they have good teams coming up and when they'll be have some high quality years if they didn't schedule accordingly to help that team then that's on the guys in charge. They went to 8 in order to help grab some of those teams that were on the cusp to get them in for a chance at the playoffs. Seems like doing away with Regions could also hinder teams based on their location as well. Maybe a SEO team doesn't get the points to make the top 32 because the AD didn't want to travel 2-3 hrs, 3 times a year in order to seek out the points needed and it benefits everyone above the 70 line once again.

No, they would take #1 and they get a home game against the team from 17-32 closest to them and work down that way. In the 2nd round they would take the #1 and pair them with 9-16 closest. The benefit to #1 is you would always get the closest lower seed to you, the downside is that it may not be the lowest overall seed. As fans it would cut travel and make it more likely to see the best 2 teams in the finals but as you pointed out it would probably keep some seo teams out, especially in d6 and d7 where there aren't a lot of small school powerhouses.

Ok, I got ya, makes a bit more sense but still doesn't make sense to do it that way. Plus the current system allows for more people to catch games I would believe. Instead of having that half way point, you'll get less SEO schools and to see a game you'll need to travel 3 hrs which thanks but no thanks. System is fine don't mess with it and we don't need 12 teams from each region going in.

[portsmouth_98]

Long drives are a Portsmouth specialty.
1st round road games:
1988 @ Franklin - 2:18 drive
1999 @ Germantown Valley View - 2:21 drive
2001 @ New Lexington - 2:06 drive
2004 @ New Albany - 1:58 drive
2008 @ Licking Heights - 1:57 drive
2018 @ Madison - 2:26 drive
2019 @ Ridgewood - 2:59 drive
average - 2:18 drive and trending longer

Conversely as a home team in the 1st round
1984 vs Philo - 2:29 drive for them
1991 vs Beechcroft 1:55 drive for them
2000 vs Jackson 0:50 drive for them
2002 vs Waverly 0:42 drive for them
average - 1:29 drive but trending much shorter, Philo would likely never be in our region again

Neutral Field matchups
1984 vs Cincinnati McNicholas @ Middletwon 2:29 for us 0:49 minutes for them
2000 vs Cincinnati Purcell Marian @ Hillsboro 1:18 for us 1:12 for them
2000 vs Kettering Alter @ Hillsboro 1:18 for us 1:13 for them
2000 vs Van Wert @ Grove City 1:39 for us 2:09 for them
2001 vs Ironton @ Ironton 0:35 for us 0:00 for them
2001 vs Licking Valley @ Lancaster 1:42 for us 0:48 for them
2002 vs Ironton @ Athens 1:30 for us 1:38 for them
2002 vs Portsmouth West @ Ironton 0:35 for us 0:38 for them
average - 1:25 for us , 1:03 for them. Not to bad here compared to what some teams down here get.