SVC 2020/2021 🏀🏀🏀

[danicalifornia]

It makes sense for the optics of it to wait, but I don't see a couple games really changing anything.

While I agree, one team having a minimum of 4 games to play in the league not only hurts their players in the voting, but hurts who they may vote for as well. That teams vote could be the difference between a player getting first or second team.

The girls league voting when multiple teams had 30% of their league games left was ridiculous. The POY was super obvious there, but there’s no reason not to wait.

Plus, doing it online was a disaster in baseball 2 years ago where a coach didn’t vote for the league’s leading hitter onto a team and that put the player on 2nd team instead of 1st. That same school (different coaches) voted a player 4th after only seeing that team once and cost the player a co-player of the year. So, it’s best to do it in person and to wait, IMO.

[mlittle]

It makes sense for the optics of it to wait, but I don't see a couple games really changing anything.

While I agree, one team having a minimum of 4 games to play in the league not only hurts their players in the voting, but hurts who they may vote for as well. That teams vote could be the difference between a player getting first or second team.

The girls league voting when multiple teams had 30% of their league games left was ridiculous. The POY was super obvious there, but there’s no reason not to wait.

Plus, doing it online was a disaster in baseball 2 years ago where a coach didn’t vote for the league’s leading hitter onto a team and that put the player on 2nd team instead of 1st. That same school (different coaches) voted a player 4th after only seeing that team once and cost the player a co-player of the year. So, it’s best to do it in person and to wait, IMO.

Do you feel comfortable putting your top 5 out there right now from what you’ve seen?

I’d probably go

Little/Bennett
Chandler
Sykes
Blackburn.

I struggled with the 5 spot but Blackburn is the only player in our league averaging a double double and IMO would start for every team in the league.

[danicalifornia]

It makes sense for the optics of it to wait, but I don't see a couple games really changing anything.

While I agree, one team having a minimum of 4 games to play in the league not only hurts their players in the voting, but hurts who they may vote for as well. That teams vote could be the difference between a player getting first or second team.

The girls league voting when multiple teams had 30% of their league games left was ridiculous. The POY was super obvious there, but there’s no reason not to wait.

Plus, doing it online was a disaster in baseball 2 years ago where a coach didn’t vote for the league’s leading hitter onto a team and that put the player on 2nd team instead of 1st. That same school (different coaches) voted a player 4th after only seeing that team once and cost the player a co-player of the year. So, it’s best to do it in person and to wait, IMO.

Do you feel comfortable putting your top 5 out there right now from what you’ve seen?

I’d probably go

Little/Bennett
Chandler
Sykes
Blackburn.

I struggled with the 5 spot but Blackburn is the only player in our league averaging a double double and IMO would start for every team in the league.

That looks good, but I’ll put Robinson from ZT as someone else who can push for first team. He’s one of those kids who hasn’t played against one team at all, so he could benefit from getting to actually make up the games before the teams are picked.

[transplant]

Would it be reasonable to do a CO POY? Give it to Little and Bennett?

[mlittle]

While I agree, one team having a minimum of 4 games to play in the league not only hurts their players in the voting, but hurts who they may vote for as well. That teams vote could be the difference between a player getting first or second team.

The girls league voting when multiple teams had 30% of their league games left was ridiculous. The POY was super obvious there, but there’s no reason not to wait.

Plus, doing it online was a disaster in baseball 2 years ago where a coach didn’t vote for the league’s leading hitter onto a team and that put the player on 2nd team instead of 1st. That same school (different coaches) voted a player 4th after only seeing that team once and cost the player a co-player of the year. So, it’s best to do it in person and to wait, IMO.

Do you feel comfortable putting your top 5 out there right now from what you’ve seen?

I’d probably go

Little/Bennett
Chandler
Sykes
Blackburn.

I struggled with the 5 spot but Blackburn is the only player in our league averaging a double double and IMO would start for every team in the league.

That looks good, but I’ll put Robinson from ZT as someone else who can push for first team. He’s one of those kids who hasn’t played against one team at all, so he could benefit from getting to actually make up the games before the teams are picked.

Agree. Hoping Cam Debord gets a high second team honor. He deserves it

[nodumpinpike]

I wouldn't count Chris Chandler of Piketon out just yet for SVC POY. He can score from any position, guard an opposing teams best player regardless of size and is a very tough matchup for other teams. And, he's an amazing young man that my 3 boys look up to on and off the court. I feel Chris (Topher) would be an excellent choice for POY to represent the SVC!!!

[mlittle]

I wouldn't count Chris Chandler of Piketon out just yet for SVC POY. He can score from any position, guard an opposing teams best player regardless of size and is a very tough matchup for other teams. And, he's an amazing young man that my 3 boys look up to on and off the court. I feel Chris (Topher) would be an excellent choice for POY to represent the SVC!!!

I’ve been saying that about Chandler all year and any other year he’d have my vote but he’s gonna more than likely finish 3rd in the voting. His team is gonna finish 3rd in the league and lost to the top 2 teams both times. If his ppg was substantially higher than the other two, let’s say 23ppg and the others were in that 15-17 range then I’d say he would have an argument. The problem is all three top players are within about a point of each other so the deciding factor will more than likely be their records.

[eagles73Taylor]

I said I was done with this website, but just had to get back on for this topic. Using straight up statistics, there are 9 categories on svcsportszone, which most everyone would agree does a great job for the league. You have scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, fg %, ft %, 3 pointers made and charges taken.

Using just stats, Bennett is in top 10 on 7 out of 9, Chandler with 6 out of 9, and Little with 4 out of 9. Adena and Unioto will split, so that makes Piketon 2nd, more than likely.

So, straight up stats Bennett is the front runner.

[mlittle]

I said I was done with this website, but just had to get back on for this topic. Using straight up statistics, there are 9 categories on svcsportszone, which most everyone would agree does a great job for the league. You have scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, fg %, ft %, 3 pointers made and charges taken.

Using just stats, Bennett is in top 10 on 7 out of 9, Chandler with 6 out of 9, and Little with 4 out of 9. Adena and Unioto will split, so that makes Piketon 2nd, more than likely.

So, straight up stats Bennett is the front runner.

The issue for me, going straight stats is you have a team like Piketon and Adena who basically play 6 kids. Unioto plays 9 so both Bennett and Chandler are playing more meaningless minutes than Little. The only real way to use statistics is if you did a per 32

[mlittle]

I said I was done with this website, but just had to get back on for this topic. Using straight up statistics, there are 9 categories on svcsportszone, which most everyone would agree does a great job for the league. You have scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, fg %, ft %, 3 pointers made and charges taken.

Using just stats, Bennett is in top 10 on 7 out of 9, Chandler with 6 out of 9, and Little with 4 out of 9. Adena and Unioto will split, so that makes Piketon 2nd, more than likely.

So, straight up stats Bennett is the front runner.

You could’ve easily made this same argument for Perdue a few years ago. He dominated the top of every category and still finished behind Swingle and Swack.

[eagles73Taylor]

Piketon plays 7, and meaningless minutes is your best argument! LOL. So Bennett and Chandler getting most of their stats during that time only?

My pick would be Bennett, btw. Scoring is just 1 piece of the puzzle for POY!

[nodumpinpike]

Meaningless minutes?? Please explain!! So are you saying Chandler and Bennett are playing when they are not needed?
How would Adena, Piketon and unioto fare if you took those 3 players off their team.

[mlittle]

Piketon plays 7, and meaningless minutes is your best argument! LOL. So Bennett and Chandler getting most of their stats during that time only?

No. I’m fine with arguing for one over the other. I was just saying my issue is that depth and style of play can contribute to numbers or lack there of. I watched a lot of film on Piketon and Adena where those kids were playing deep in games that were already decided And with our depth and Isaac’s history with injury he’s not getting those minutes. You don’t think that has any impact on stats? L O L

[mlittle]

Meaningless minutes?? Please explain!! So are you saying Chandler and Bennett are playing when they are not needed?
How would Adena, Piketon and unioto fare if you took those 3 players off their team.

Minutes where starters are still playing when the game is already decided. I’m not saying it’s stat pumping it’s mainly because of depth issues. You guys haven’t played 7 all season

[nodumpinpike]

1.fuller
2.chandler
3.swayne
4.Gullion
5.Potts
6.Leedy
7.Pendleton

[nodumpinpike]

Leedy missed a few games because of quarantine

[eagles73Taylor]

So Isaac never played late in games, where the outcome was decided? I can’t imagine the amount of time played during those times impacted those statistics that much.

All three teams play a very similar style as well.

[mlittle]

1.fuller
2.chandler
3.swayne
4.Gullion
5.Potts
6.Leedy
7.Pendleton

I thought Leedy missed about half the season? Maybe less. I know he wasn’t there first time we played you guys

[mlittle]

So Isaac never played late in games, where the outcome was decided? I can’t imagine the amount of time played during those times impacted those statistics that much.

All three teams play a very similar style as well.

No he didn’t. I can remember 1 game he played in the 4th qtr in a blowout. It was only because we didn’t have a back to back that weekend. Most of those games he’s 2 to 2.5 qtrs. And we do keep a per 32 and his is 23.1 ppg per 32

[mlittle]

So Isaac never played late in games, where the outcome was decided? I can’t imagine the amount of time played during those times impacted those statistics that much.

All three teams play a very similar style as well.

And I’m not saying it has a huge impact but it definitely has an impact and I was only stating that being my issue with “stats only” they NEVER tell the whole story. Ever