The U: Kiss Miami Goodbye!

[Peake]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... violations

[seofan_via_dublin]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... violations

Key line here:

An Ohio State spokesman told ESPN on Wednesday that Pryor did not tell the school or the NCAA about any additional violations. That contradicts what Pryor's attorney David Cornwell told ESPN earlier in the week.

It is against NCAA guidelines for university officials to speak with the player concerning their NCAA interview. So if TP had not told OSU about the issue, OSU would assume that he had not informed the NCAA. Hence the above quoted statement.

It has been shown that Aparently TP did tell the NCAA, IN MAY! But if he did not tell OSU, then it doesn't make OSUs statement less correct.

What he told the NCAA in May did not lead to a violation, and 2 months after the interview the NCAA sent OSU a notice of no new infractions.

[Peake]

I would assume he didn't have to tell them because he was not longer an OSU student when he interviewed.

Anyways, I find it interesting that MIami is getting burned for this yet OSU is being treated differently.

[The General]

Its a joke. Politics and money. OSU is a cash cow. It is simple. The little Senator Vest grabbed all the power at THE OSU with his perceived coaching brilliance. Highest paid person there. Had to keep up the perceptions and the deceptions by kicking hell out of the weaker to position themselves for the BIG GAME in January.

Now what is really hilarious is that they were found not failing in a lack of monitoring or a lack of Institutional Control. Give me a GD break.They lead the pack in NCAA academic "dysfuntion" from 2002-2007 and probably led the nation in player criminal arrests.

When Smith became AD he said that he quit giving The Senator "written evaluations". Oral ones. AND of course Smith is a veteran of the infractions committee Gee makes the comment that he hopes Tressel doesnt fire him. You could go back to the vest at Youngstown or examine the more recent fiasco that came to light.

But the thing that you should look at is why was Tressel kept as coach until the end of May? I can guarantee you that it was obvious to Smith and the honchos that Tressel was not going to survive this in January. They kept him around through Februarys LOI Day and longer. Why?

[javagt]

Its a joke. Politics and money. OSU is a cash cow. It is simple. The little Senator Vest grabbed all the power at THE OSU with his perceived coaching brilliance. Highest paid person there. Had to keep up the perceptions and the deceptions by kicking hell out of the weaker to position themselves for the BIG GAME in January.

Now what is really hilarious is that they were found not failing in a lack of monitoring or a lack of Institutional Control. Give me a GD break.They lead the pack in NCAA academic "dysfuntion" from 2002-2007 and probably led the nation in player criminal arrests.

When Smith became AD he said that he quit giving The Senator "written evaluations". Oral ones. AND of course Smith is a veteran of the infractions committee Gee makes the comment that he hopes Tressel doesnt fire him. You could go back to the vest at Youngstown or examine the more recent fiasco that came to light.

But the thing that you should look at is why was Tressel kept as coach until the end of May? I can guarantee you that it was obvious to Smith and the honchos that Tressel was not going to survive this in January. They kept him around through Februarys LOI Day and longer. Why?

Agree 100% .....

[Peake]

I think the most important thing to remember here is that if you want to compete for a NC then there is a big chance you have to cheat to do it.

Look at the NC 2000 to present.

1. USC---Bowl Ban
2. LSU---Probation
3. MIami, Fl---Going to be really bad
4. Ohio State---Probation plus?
5. Alabama---Probation
6. Oregon---it's coming
7. Auburn---it's coming

To compete for or win national titles you better cheat is what the landscape of college football has come to.

[The General]

Yea that is probably true. However,I doubt you would ever see a Nick Saban have the nerve to publish a hypocritical,fake,condescending,hubristic version of A Winners Manuel. Would you?

[farmer]

Seems from some of the stories being brought up before this came to light that the NCAA is trying to get a hold of football before it becomes more like NCAA basketball with players being there 1 year and gone for the money. Even though there are rules there now that prevent football players from just playing one year and leaving. An issue raised by some NCAA coaches are high school players being on ALL STAR 7 on 7 traveling teams. That are receiving gifts and traveling to games on customized buses. As well as receiving other gifts or perks. Their are some good people who are involved in 7 on 7 teams but their are people who are there to take advantage of young players. Then these players are already used to receiving to receiving perks when they get to college.

The Death Penalty would not just effect the school but innocent people who profit off games being played and fans coming to Miami. The restaurants, hotels, bars, all the people who work in and outside the stadium as well as many others businesses. They needs to be dealt with and punished if the NCAA finds it did happen. There is a lot going on with schools moving to Conferences and threatening to move NCAA football is changing. As well as should the NFL be involved. The NCAA needs to get all the info and prove it right or wrong then go from there. Reform needs to happen but how to do it is what the NCAA and all schools need to do to clean up sports.

[seofan_via_dublin]

I would assume he didn't have to tell them because he was not longer an OSU student when he interviewed.

Anyways, I find it interesting that MIami is getting burned for this yet OSU is being treated differently.

He withdrew from the university 19 days AFTER the interview, after the withdraw he stopped talking to the NCAA.

[oldmo31]

PEAKE, Michigan should be in line for NC game as they are on probation.I love how e$pn ranks the U and OSU ,like it's the same.North Carlioina is twice as bad as OSU.Changing grades and recruiting is a hell of a lot more than trading trinckets for tats.I'll give e$pn credit for not giving up.Untill NCAA passes down penalties they are going to keep pocking them with a stick.For U it's reported as we don't know if these reports are true,for OSU it was a fact as soon as they opened their mouth.This next couple of years are going to be tough ones for e$pn,as they have lost a lot of respect all over the country.

[farmer]

There are reports now that some of the former players including those in the NFL may have to pay back the money they received. So that people who lost money in the Ponzi scheme maybe able to recoup some of their money. Much like the Madoff case where the New York Mets owners got hit hard and had to payback. U Miami has already given back the money they received from him in donations.

[Orange and Brown]

Lets face it everyone cheats anymore...... I'm waiting on 5 or 6 more schools to get caught in the next year or 2 then the NCAA MIGHT do something to fix college football.

[2trap_4ever]

Colin Cowherd actually responded on twitter, he agrees, Miami is screwed!!!

His words, "this is 100x worse than USC or OSU"

I have also seen ESPN use the term "death sentence" already for Miami. There is big trouble on South Beach.

For you younger folk that may not know what "death sentence" means, google SMU football.

[dazed&confused]

SO why is the NCAA waiting another 12 weeks to make a decision and why is it they were told they are still investigating if this is all old news and everything is done and over with?

@dazed and confused---I guess that makes you feel better now? So you are just scuzzy while MIami is really scuzzy. Not a competition I want to participate in. Congrats on being a little less scuzzy then the really scuzzy school.

1) This was aimed at the NCAA- I believe they are the biggest hypocritical institution this side of Congress- didn't mean to pee in your Cheerios

2) When you direct spotlights on amateur athletics and it becomes a big $ business, I just think everyone will sooner or later look to get in on the money

3) Show me a major successful college program that is squeaky claen and I'll show you a program that hasn't been exposed yet.

4) I like the Buckeyes- far from a homer however.

5) The NFL is reaping a windfall using CFB as a no-cost farm system.


So, if we're going to pretend DI CFB is supposed to be pure and beautiful as an amateur enterprise... :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8 :aaaaa8

[Peake]

@ gobucks31,

MIchigan has not played for or won a NC from 2000 to present. Why would I put them in that group? They are on probation because they stretched for too long and used 2 ga's during summer 7 on 7's, they don't deserve to be amongst this group.

Is what UNC did worse then the head coach covering it all up (after publishing a book talking about holding yourself to a higher moral standard). Don't think so. Again, this is a scuzzy v more scuzzy competition I wouldn't want to be a part of.

ESPN will continue to make billions and this will only affect people in Columbus who will cry foul anytime someone messes with poor little Ohio State.

Anyone who things Miami gets a "death penalty" for this is kidding themselves. Anyone want to put a paycheck on they get hit with the "death penalty"? I will take their bet. This will be bad but I am willing to put a full paycheck on they will be playing football in COral Gables next season.

@dazed and confused---NOtice what I said earlier about who has gotten in trouble over the past decade. Notice it is the teams playing for National Titles. I think if you win a NC you should automatically be investigated to make sure you are clean. That is basically what the facts point to.

[Satelite]

Somebody please explain to me how Ohio State is mentioned in the same breath as Miami, USC, or UNC? I simply do not get it other than they have an infraction that they are paying for. Let's review this further.

Miami had a booster/agent pay over a million dollars in benefits TO possibly 72 players over a period of time. They did this before and while those players attended Miami.

USC had booster/agent pay over a half million dollars in benefits to a player. Again, this was paid before and while that player attended USC.

UNC paid people to change grades and more in order to keep those players eligible. Also, booster/agent paid for a little trip of pleasure.

All three of these situations are money/benefits GIVEN to players in order to get or keep them on their field. Ohio State, along with Georgia, had players that SOLD what was already THEIRS. They received NOTHING from anyone affliated with the university or program, unlike the three mentioned above.

With all of this being said, Ohio State is going to pay a price for LYING to cover the infractions that the players committed. Yet many are saying Ohio State cheated....HOW? Because their tattoos made it harder to see them when playing? Because no longer having their trophies and memorbillia makes them appear to be less than the studs that they are? I know where you are going...it's because they were playing ineligible players and that is cheating right? Well guess what, those players kicked your can on the football field ineligible or not. They did that without any enhancements, money, or benefits from friends, boosters, or family. And I do believe that they have given those earned wins back.

On a side note, I believe that those losses stay on your record.....and that is nice to know.

[seofan_via_dublin]

The current OSU issue is not about the tats or the autographs, that was handled 9 months ago.

The current OSU drama is about our coach, who knew the rules were broken and lied multiple times to cover them up.

Yes, what UNC, USC, and Miami did are all worse, but the persona JT built for 10 years is what is really on trial here. Not the crime.

A crude example, there have been many times that catholic priests have molested boys, and while it is appalling to many, it is not as appalling as if THE POPE had done it.

[91blue14]

i wonder how long it will take THE U to declare players ineligible.

[Bleeding Red]

i wonder how long it will take THE U to declare players ineligible.

I expect them to be short handed to say the least before week 3 when OSU takes their talents to South Beach! I believe they will immediately indefinitely suspend any current players as they come out in the reports. If they knowingly pay them.....excuse me...PLAY them (LOL), they risk possible forfeits at the end of the year for playing what should have been ineligible players.

[Vladd]

Do you think that if law makers make it a felony offense for anyone caught tampering with a Student Athletic like what has happened to Miami, OSU, USC, and NC? It goes on everywhere and will until the people doing it spend time in the clink, it will go on until the players or the school get caught. Just an opinion. just putting it out there for discussion. Something needs to change that is for sure.