Southeastern Ohio Football, CHANGE,CHANGE,CHANGE

[Tigercannon71]

Grizzly, your onto something if you got the athletes you can change your offense, but you cant get away from your base offense totally. For Ironton if I remember right when we had Payton there we ran out of the pro I a lot more and did more passing because we had the QB and recievers who throw and catch, but we never got that far from our base T because we also had Harmon and Henry to run it at you. If you got the athletes then you can change your offense somewhat to accomadate that change in personel, but you dont want to get that far from what you basically do.

[grizzlynatural]

I can agree that if you ran the same formation for years but personel changes that you dont just go out and do something TOTALLY different but you do indeed have to run according to the players you have on the field.

Athens is a very good example of you dont go and COMPLETLY change what you do because then you find that players are just not familier enough with what they are doing and then they simply just cannot run it.

For example:
I dont believe Ironton should leave the T, but i think Ironton should run more than the T. All year i read about how you guys should have threw the ball more and that you had good receivers that you didnt use. Classic example of we need to get rid of this "we run this" attitude and run what you have.

[Tigercannon71]

We had receivers, but the problem was their catching ability it was somewhat suspect. If you look at our season stats we actually threw the ball 107 times. For Ironton thats running spread offense. So Ironton did try to utilize the pass more.

[eagles73Taylor]

Anyone been to the state championships lately? I have been going for the last 7 years and let me tell you, you dont see the spread throwing it around kind of game. You see running teams with great defenses and special teams that win the state championships. You win with people, just like Woody Hayes spoke about. You people crack me up, just change your offense and you to can win STATE!!!!!!!!

[Tigercannon71]

Anyone been to the state championships lately? I have been going for the last 7 years and let me tell you, you dont see the spread throwing it around kind of game. You see running teams with great defenses and special teams that win the state championships. You win with people, just like Woody Hayes spoke about. You people crack me up, just change your offense and you to can win STATE!!!!!!!!

I agree exactly. Very rarely does a pure spread team win state. Most teams that win play great defense and they run the ball. The only pure spread team I can remember in the past to win state is Kenton when they had Ben Mauk.

[bengalfan76]

Run the option.lol
Go watch Colrain play.
Think about it everyone runs the spread or the I
How do you prepare for the option? No one runs it anymore.

[eagles73Taylor]

Run the option.lol
Go watch Colrain play.
Think about it everyone runs the spread or the I
How do you prepare for the option? No one runs it anymore.

I just wathced Hilliard Davidson (option team) versus Worthington Kilbourne (wing T option) and Colerain would beat them by 40+, not just because of the option but they are just the better team. People, people, people, people and more people you WIN with people!

You could have made an all star team with the 2 Pike County teams, Valley to the South of us, Huntington to the North and Jackson to the East and they could not compete with the Mooneys!

[Tigercannon71]

Thats the big thing it doesnt matter what kind of offense you run if you dont have the players in the right positions it wont work. Also it all comes down to execution. If you dont execute it doesnt matter how showy your offense is it wont work.

[FarAwayFalcon]

I've watched a few Amanda-Clearcreek teams that RAN THE BALL. They weren't bigger, or necessairly stronger, of course they were faster because they were small. Point is they won, alot. It is more about execution, no mistakes, and changing some play calling. They simply out-played you no matter what, played assignment football and made zero mistakes. I know AC isn't really southern ohio, but they run alot of what we run down here, and do well with it.

[lostcause]

well your right in a way, but the spread killed all three of these teams this week.
if you know how to run it you know how to defend it. try something new!



it might just work

LU did not run the spread, so you are wrong about that.

well thats 1 you know what im saying.

[lostcause]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SOUTHERN OHIO FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!


it just needs to learn how to defend the spread.
once that happens OOOOOEEEEEEEE look out!!!!!

I mean where else in the state can they say three teams within 30 miles went to the second round of the playoffs. and started in there region 1,2 ,3.
lets consolidate and make a D1 powerhouse....

I know what you're trying to say, but I can name an area in the state that had more than that within 30 miles. LIberty Union, West Jeff, Logan Elm(all MSL teams), Sheridan, and oh yeah, Pickerington Central. PC, LU and Sheridan are all right off St rte 256. I see your point though.

you really know your state dont you

[WitnessProtection]

Here's some numbers from the 2007 state championship games. Just sayin' ...

Division I
St. X 27, Mentor 0
St. X: 371 yards rushing, 40 yards passing
Mentor: 18 yards rushing, 179 yards passing

Division II
Cin. Anderson 31, Louisville 25
Anderson: 196 yards rushing, 203 yards passing
Louisville: 103 yards rushing, 283 yards passing

Division III
Big Walnut 17, Licking Valley 10
BW: 96 yards rushing, 13 yards passing
LV: 270 yards rushing, 52 yards passing

Division IV
Coldwater 28, Cardinal Mooney 27
CW: 53 yards rushing, 300 yards passing
CM: 297 yards rushing, 135 yards passing

Division V
Marion Local 20, Youngstown Ursuline 14
ML: 142 yards rushing, 76 yards passing
YU: 98 yards rushing, 101 yards passing

Division VI
Newark Catholic 28, Hopewell-Loudon 14
NC: 291 yards rushing, 55 yards passing
HL: 52 yards rushing, 309 yards passing

[Westfan]

well your right in a way, but the spread killed all three of these teams this week.
if you know how to run it you know how to defend it. try something new!



it might just work

Ready was not a spread team. Most of their plays are from the I formation. They throw the ball some, but not esclusively. They run the ball most of the time. They beat West with great defense and a super kicking game.

[1987chieftains]

LIKE IT WAS SAID BEFORE. it doesn't matter what formation you run, if you don't have the personal to run and execute it efficiently your wasting your time.

[bigdaddyblitz]

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SOUTHERN OHIO FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!


it just needs to learn how to defend the spread.
once that happens OOOOOEEEEEEEE look out!!!!!

I mean where else in the state can they say three teams within 30 miles went to the second round of the playoffs. and started in there region 1,2 ,3.
lets consolidate and make a D1 powerhouse....

I know what you're trying to say, but I can name an area in the state that had more than that within 30 miles. LIberty Union, West Jeff, Logan Elm(all MSL teams), Sheridan, and oh yeah, Pickerington Central. PC, LU and Sheridan are all right off St rte 256. I see your point though.

you really know your state dont you

Yes, I know a little about the state. Been a fan and did a bit of recruiting, so yeah, I know a little.I also know when not to make comments unless I know they're true. LU and Ready both run the ball, and a lot of the time from an unbalanced wing-t variation.Sorry I proved your statements to be hogwash. I feel your pain, but do a little research.
I agree with Eagles73. It aint the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmies and the Joes. To be stubborn and only run "your offense" as a coach is foolish IMO. Most every team, at least the ones we are from, are cycle schools. You gotta run what your personnel dictates.

[bigdaddyblitz]

I'll dog the 4-4 and the 5-2 every time it's mentioned. I'm not a big fan of it at all. Like you, I believe that you've got to pass - most of the time, you aren't going to be able to live between the tackles the whole game. If you've read enough of my posts on here, you know exactly how I feel about THAT type of play-calling.
At the same time, I'm not one of the "new age" football fans who think the spread is the savior of the world - I realize that everyone has a different philosophy and at the end of the day, you're only as good as your talent permits you to be with the style you choose.
I've seen teams run no more than 5 different plays all game and win just because they're good up front and the defense just can't stop them even when they know what's coming.
The biggest problem I have with this area is scheduling - no exposure to anything much different - just the same ol' same ol' - anything that gets you by/in the playoffs.

I guess we disagree. The 5-2 is a GREAT defense. BUT, I think you have to have versatile ends that can line up as backers and then its a 3-4. You just gotta love a noseguard.But they are hard to come by. It's not easy finding the right personnel in HS to run the 4-3.You need studs up front. The big thing now is to have more 2nd level players that fly to the ball.Thats why you see so many coaches going to the 3-5, 3-4 or 3-3. If your LB's attack and fly around, it makes it aweful hard for the OL to block them in space, but you have to have attacking LB's and stoudt d-linmen. Did anyone watch Big Walnut last year? That was the BEST D3 HS defense Ive seen in a few years.They flat out got after it from the 3-5 look.

[West_Sider]

West gave up 17 points in that game.. 7 of which came on a busted run with 1:22 left when the game was already over. The 5-2 was not the problem. Ready didn't run the spread, they ran the I most of the night. Most of their passes were short boot leg plays out of the wing T formation. On offense, West moved the ball but just didn't finish inside the 30 yard line 3 times. Last time I checked West ran about 50% of their plays out of the Pistol offense which is the newest offense to come on to the scene. We passed the ball enough to win and stay balanced, we just didnt execute in the passing game. At times the ball was a half a yard too short or too long and others we dropped the ball. If there I were to make a suggestion it would be to work on the passing game during the season when you have a good lead. However, if you do that then everybody tries to say your trying to run it up instead of trying to be the best team you can be at the end of the year. I say who cares what people think.

[85inside]

I agree with Lost cause and Tiger Cannon here. Great teams can defend any defense and they can also run the ball on offense. A great example of that last year and this year, is Coldwater. They are a public school that can defend and also execute of offense.
I saw ironton lose two big games mainly because they get down on the scoreboard early and they have to change what they are doing on offense. Ironton relies on the running game and when you get down 2 or 3 scores early, your often forced to do something you are not good at.
I agree with Lost cause, you really need to defend the spread and or passing game. it is hard for teams who do not throw or practice the throwing gmae, to defend it, because they often times cannot smiulate it effectively enough in practice.

I think many teams who go to these passing camps often times do better, because they are getting a chance to play defense against the pass. i dont believe many southern ohio teams participate much in those. I believe Ironton and Wheelersburg usually have the athletes to defend, its just a matter of simulating it more. It is clear that we will see this offense more and hopefully we will get used to seeing it and start defending it better.
Good topic.

[55buckeyes98]

The 4-4 defense is a great Defense... it is balanced and can become any defense you want... you can play any coverage you want... the issue comes with being able to adapt and teach the defense against different teams or offenses...
On offense it's not what you run it's how well you execute it... all teams need some balance. Johnstown runs a 4-4 and they run power football and they have had more success than in a long time in football and they still hear the critics all the time. Spread is not the option... Teams that have success with the spread have the talent to run the ball out of it... if you can only pass the Spread is not very successful.

[Incognito]

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