FANOSPORTS wrote:Too small, now way Jose, this isn't even a real thread is it ? The only way Trimble will ever come over to the Ohio division is when their kids consolidate with N-Y and that may happen by 2014.
FOS - You are absolutely correct.
My only response to the title of this thread, and you can quote me, is "Let's hope not".
What I find interesting about the discussion on this thread is that everyone who has commented on Trimble possibly moving to the TVC Ohio thinks it is a bad idea.
With every other school that has been argued for or against, there has always been positives and negatives - some people for and some people against.
The conversation on this thread -- at least so far -- seems to be that overwhelmingly people think moving Trimble to the TVC Ohio would be a very bad idea.
Trimble is a hocking team because they play like a hocking team they dont do very well against schools that are not a D 6 or bigger then them.. so in the ohio they would be lucky to maybe do better then 4-6 if even that.. I mean they wouldnt beat athens and wellston and some others like NY usually can .. besides trimble is the face of the hocking like ny is the face of the ohio... If trimble wants to have winning seasons they will stay in the hocking plain and simple..
As N-Y will attest there are NO teams in the Ohio that Trimble can't beat some years, however on a year to year basis it wouldn't be good for the small program. If they do move up and struggle, then the boarderline players likely don't play and you have even less kids on the field and it spirals downward from there.
I mentioned this earlier, but I think Trimble's best move would be for the TVC to rearrange Trimble's Hocking Division schedule.
In most years, it is probable the Hocking Division will be won by Wahama or Trimble. Or at the very least, those two will be in the title hunt more so than the other schools. Why on earth would you have these two teams meet each other in Week 2 of the season?!??! You are essentially crowning your champion at the beginning of the season instead of the end of the season.
Trimble vs. Wahama should be a Week 10 matchup. I would also have Belpre and Waterford as late season games for Trimble, as they both have traditionally stronger programs than most of the other Hocking schools.
Combine that with a strong non-league schedule, and I think that is the most realistic best-case scenerio for Trimble. Ideally, Trimble needs to find a strong non-league rival. I think Crooksville would be a perfect fit for that new non-league rival. Trimble needs to have more than the NY game to be excited about on its schedule every year.
I think Trimble fans put far more emphasis on the Trimble/NY game each year than NY fans do. I think it's because when you compare the two schools season schedules, NY is the clear "big game" on the Trimble schedule. But when you look at NY's schedule, there are multiple big games throughout the season - both league and non-league games. Take this year for example. NY has games with Newark Catholic, Columbus Bishop Ready and Logan coming up. We end our season with Alexander and Athens, and in recent years the NY-Alex-Athens games have all been exciting with league title implications. Even if NY had lost to Trimble, NY would have all of these big games to be excited about to get over the fact that NY lost to Trimble. If Trimble looses to NY in Week 1, that pretty much puts a damper on their entire season because they have no other big games to be excited about, except for Wahama which is Week 2. So now if you are a Trimble fan and you lost to NY in Week 1 AND you lost to Wahama in Week 2.........what's there to be excited about the rest of the season? For that matter, even if Trimble wins both of those games, other than anticipation for the playoffs, what's left that is exciting on the schedule? What's left that can make Trimble playoff ready? Nothing. At least moving Wahama to Week 10 gives a sense of excitement in anticipation of crowning a league champion in Week 10 and a traditionally strong program to tune up for a playoff run.
The schedule has worked out perfectly for the Ohio Division. I would say in more years than not, NY vs. Athens will determine the league champion and that game is the final week of the season. Or at least NY vs. Athens will have more title implications in most years than NY vs. any other Ohio Divison school. You can't ask for more than that. And Alexander has been strong lately and also plays NY and Athens late-season. The non-Athens County schools have their big rival games at the end of the season as well.
Trimble should play NY in Week 1 and Wahama in Week 10 to start and end the season in big rivalry games. Trimble should play the weaker Hocking schools early in the season and the stronger Hocking schools later in the season. Instead of playing Wahama in Week 2, why not play Miller that week? Or Southern? Time the other non-league game so a new non-league rivalry could form with a team like Crooksville or Fisher Catholic or some other school that fans can be excited about playing on a yearly basis that is within an easy driving distance. I think that is the solution to Trimble's problem instead of moving from the Hocking Division to the Ohio Division.
NYB96 I don't know who the NO votes were I didn't even think to ask. I don't necessarily believe this is a bad idea for Trimble, in most sports Trimble would be competetive, football being the notable exception. There are years when Trimble will compete with anyone in either league but the consistency at which they can compete is the question. The person I talked to about this seemed to have the mindset that in order to get better you need to play up, and if you only compete for a title every 6 or 7 years, it's still better than winning the Hocking and getting smoked in the playoffs. Not sure I agree with the last part but understand where they are coming from.
I think moving the Cats from the Hocking to the Ohio will hurt there program in Football and it will hurt them in all sports soon after. When the football team stops winning then kids will start transferring.
Orange and Brown wrote:I think moving the Cats from the Hocking to the Ohio will hurt there program in Football and it will hurt them in all sports soon after. When the football team stops winning then kids will start transferring.
I agree. Plus if you look at how small the classes are at Trimble Elementary and realize that those classes are even smaller than the high school numbers, there just won't be enough kids to field teams that can play and beat bigger schools. If you have a shrinking Division 6 school that continues to get smaller and smaller and future trends show that school to continue to become smaller and smaller - that just isn't a good sign when discussing the possibility of joining a larger school league.
I don't have a dog in this fight, and I don't think anyone at NY does either. We play Trimble in everything already and will continue to do so until the day comes that the two schools consolidate.
If Trimble did join the Ohio, I hope the TVC keeps NY vs. Athens as the Week 10 game. I hope both NY and Athens officials lobby to keep the game as the regular season finale.
Even if this rumor is true, I still think the ultimate future alignment of the TVC depends on what happens with Logan and Chillicothe in the SEOAL. If those schools opt out as we all have heard they would like to do then the domino's could fall anywhere and several schools/scenereos come into play. Not only including the possibility of SEOAL schools (Warren, Jackson or Gallia) joining the TVC but what about Athens, Vinton, or N-Y maybe going the other way? I'm not saying any of this will happen just bringing up another scenereo that I'm not sure too many people have thought of.
I do not think gallia would come to the TVC..
Jackson is the best fit..Jackson couls still play wellston
Plus vinton not far at all.Plus they can play athens again..keep gallia as non league..
NY BUCKS wrote:I do not think gallia would come to the TVC..
Jackson is the best fit..Jackson couls still play wellston
Plus vinton not far at all.Plus they can play athens again..keep gallia as non league..
I have to disagree. I'm not saying Gallia Academy would want to come to the TVC under ideal circumstances. Ideally, they'd prefer to stay in the SEOAL. Unfortunately, I just don't see that league staying together. I see Chillicothe and Logan in the MSL and that would leave us with 4 teams. If that happens, I think Warren would either join the TVC or ECOL and Portsmouth would go to the SOC or independent. That kinda leaves Jackson and Gallia out in the cold. I don't see the OVC being an option from a competitive standpoint, at least in football. That leaves the TVC or the SOC2. Although I don't know for sure, I've read here that neither of those leagues really want either Jackson or Gallia from a competition standpoint. I think we'll end up being in a situation where we'll have to join whichever league would take us.
school size, you would think, Gallia, Jackson, Warren, Athens , Vinton County would be a good fit for a third division of the TVC. Another team would be needed to give them that 5 league game schedule. I'm guessing Logan and Chilli hold all the cards on what the SEOAL and TVC will do in the near future.
NYF wrote:school size, you would think, Gallia, Jackson, Warren, Athens , Vinton County would be a good fit for a third division of the TVC.
I think Vinton County would fight tooth and nail to prevent that from ever happening.
Having said that, it is possible the TVC could have three divisions without adding several larger schools -- the Hocking is almost big enough now that you could essentially split it into two seperate divisions and just leave the Ohio as it is now.
I would think that in any 3-division scenerio, NY will still be in the "big school" division. If football drives these decisions, how could you not have NY in the big school division?
NYF wrote:school size, you would think, Gallia, Jackson, Warren, Athens , Vinton County would be a good fit for a third division of the TVC.
I think Vinton County would fight tooth and nail to prevent that from ever happening.
Having said that, it is possible the TVC could have three divisions without adding several larger schools -- the Hocking is almost big enough now that you could essentially split it into two seperate divisions and just leave the Ohio as it is now.
I would think that in any 3-division scenerio, NY will still be in the "big school" division. If football drives these decisions, how could you not have NY in the big school division?
I disagree on both counts, VC has played Jackson and Gallia in different sports lately and play Athens in everything and would compete well in most sports. N-Y may end up in the big division and if bigger schools are added would soon regret it in every sport except maybe football. N-Y would be better served in a division with Meigs, Wellston, River Valley, Alexander and maybe Wahama or Trimble which is what I believe a middle division would look like and schedule Athens, VC, etc. for non conference games, their schedule wouldn't look much different than it does now. Also if the SEOAL loses Logan, Chillicothe, etc. I think they'll look to expand before they would just fold up shop. This means that they could come knocking on the door of Athens, VC or maybe even N-Y leaving the TVC with two much different divisions than they are now. Like I said earlier, many dominos could fall in many places and it's way too early to tell.
Last edited by A-Town Big Dog on Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
A-Town, I agree, NY might be strong enough in football. But they would struggle with everything else but wrestling. They struggle now in the OHIO with all other sports.
I agree totally, but some people are blinded by football and don't see what may be best for all student athletes as a whole. If Warren, Gallia or Jackson are added in some combination to a bigger school division and N-Y were excluded their football schedule could still look something like this.
1. Athens
2. Newark Catholic
3. Ready
4. VC
5. Logan
6. Meigs
7. Wellston
8. River Valley
9. Alexander
10. Trimble
It doesn't look too different to me. But again all total speculation at this point.
I'm telling you guys, Vinton County won't let that happen. Vinton County took the lead in gathering the votes to prevent Warren from being admitted back to the TVC. If not for Vinton County, Warren would be in the TVC today.
All of the "big schools" except for Athens voted No to admitting Jackson a couple years ago, why would those same schools suddenly change their minds now?
A-Town Big Dog wrote:1. Athens
2. Newark Catholic
3. Ready
4. VC
5. Logan
6. Meigs
7. Wellston
8. River Valley
9. Alexander
10. Trimble
It doesn't look too different to me. But again all total speculation at this point.
NY needs to play a bigger school then Trimble in Week 10 to help prepare for a playoff run. If you think Trimble is small now, wait until you see what their numbers are ten years from now, just based on the size of their elementary classes. That will do NY no favors in preparing for a playoff run as the final game of the season in the future.
Their schedule could be arranged in many ways, I was only trying to show that N-Y doesn't "need" to be in a bigger division and could have basically the same schedule for football and would be much better off in all other sports. Trimble may not be the choice of the middle division either as Fed, Belpre, and Wahama are all D5 schools and would be a better fit size wise. Personally I would go with Wahama from a competition standpoint, but Fed would make the most sense geographically. Again many scenereos are possible.
